100% Balancing Charge - Frequency and Method

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I know there has been a number of threads related to this subject, but is there a definitive way of achieving this; specifically:
  • How often should it be done?
  • Can you only do a balance at 100% on a granny charger?
  • Can you do a balance at 100% with a home 7kW charger?
  • Can you balance on higher output chargers or not?
Many thanks for any replies.
 
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Every couple of months slow charge from 10-100% and leave it charging for an hour after it reaches 100%; there are few other tips in the instruction manual on battery care.
 
Thanks for that prompt reply! I had read this in the manual, but was never sure as to its full meaning.

As my home charger does not actually reach 7 kW (normally around the 6.5 kW) this would imply that it is acceptable for a balancing charge? What are your thoughts?

What do other owners do to balance and at what frequency?
 
Thanks for that prompt reply! I had read this in the manual, but was never sure as to its full meaning.

As my home charger does not actually reach 7 kW (normally around the 6.5 kW) this would imply that it is acceptable for a balancing charge? What are your thoughts?

What do other owners do to balance and at what frequency?

I'm actually planning to balance mine today and tomorrow. I only have 3-pin charger and that takes about 15 hours (from memory) to charge to 100% and balance it; as teh manual says 7kW and below is slow charge, yours should be fine. Can't remember recommended balancing frequency but from memory it was about 6 weeks or so ... I'll see if I can find it



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I'm actually planning to balance mine today and tomorrow. I only have 3-pin charger and that takes about 15 hours (from memory) to charge to 100% and balance it; as teh manual says 7kW and below is slow charge, yours should be fine. Can't remember recommended balancing frequency but from memory it was about 6 weeks or so ... I'll see if I can find it



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... and I assume that it completes when the charger is saying zero, although I seem to remember reading that the balancing charge is sometimes so low that it does not show on the charger screen. I must have a look next time I charge to see how many decimal places show on what charge is being pulled.

Quite how you know this on the granny charger where there is no indication other than couple of LED I do not know - maybe the LED are enough and possibly more accurate?

It would be useful to see on the vehicle how balanced the batteries are, but I have not seen anything on any of the various screens to enable this.
 
Personally, when I charge up normally at night during the 4 hours of cheap (?), I don't get up to switch off the charge. Thus I charge to 100% every time, and the balance just follows that.

Maybe once or twice a week depending on my travels...:D
 
It would be useful to see on the vehicle how balanced the batteries are, but I have not seen anything on any of the various screens to enable this.

I didn't get MG 3-pin charger when I bought my ZS so got one from Amazon for about £120, with phone app and WiFi and Bluetooth
Combined with MG app, all the info is there..??
 

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It will only balance on a type2 AC EVSE but you can use a DC Rapid charger to get it to 80-90% then finish off with a granny.
I try and do my MG5 monthly. I only go under 10% when on holiday then get it back to 100%.
You may see the car drawing 200-300 W as it is balancing on your IHD.
 
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Thanks for that prompt reply! I had read this in the manual, but was never sure as to its full meaning.

As my home charger does not actually reach 7 kW (normally around the 6.5 kW) this would imply that it is acceptable for a balancing charge? What are your thoughts?

What do other owners do to balance and at what frequency?
I don't think about it.

Just charge your car as normal (from home) and just make sure every so often you are letting it go to 100% overnight.
 
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Thanks for that prompt reply! I had read this in the manual, but was never sure as to its full meaning.

As my home charger does not actually reach 7 kW (normally around the 6.5 kW) this would imply that it is acceptable for a balancing charge? What are your thoughts?

What do other owners do to balance and at what frequency?
Just FYI - you will never get full 7 kW as there are always efficiency losses. Same goes for all other quoted charge figured. Congrats on the EV ?
 
I know there has been a number of threads related to this subject, but is there a definitive way of achieving this; specifically:
  • How often should it be done?
  • Can you only do a balance at 100% on a granny charger?
  • Can you do a balance at 100% with a home 7kW charger?
  • Can you balance on higher output chargers or not?
Many thanks for any replies.
Some of this depends on battery chemistry: if NMC (long range) then more fiddling & pre-planning; if LFP (short range) then whenever & however you like, mostly.

You can practically only balance on an AC 7kW charger, also granny but that would usually take far too long to be useful or convenient. You cannot balance with a public DC charger.

I’ve owned both a gen 1 ZSEV (NMC) and a gen 2 ZSEV (LFP). The NMC for this or any other EV requires charging to 80% or so on a regular basis, then to 100% & balance every six weeks or so. I found that gets to be a PITA, this EV or any other NMC EV for that matter.

With the gen 2 ZSEV LFP, just charge & balance whenever I like, but usually in practice this is for less than 50% and most regularly from 30% every fortnight (mostly urban driving). The same here applies on say a short range Tesla (LFP) vs a long range (NMC). In the case of BYD, all models are LFP blade batteries.

Re. the balancing question: I found that with my gen 1 ZSEV (NMC) that the balancing phase could often take quite some time once beyond the 100% full charge, typically 105mins. Others report even longer times than this, depending … It also would lose a little range in winter. With the gen 2 ZSEV (LFP) the balancing is usually only a few minutes beyond 100% charge and seems to be very consistent. Also it has never lost any range over the last year or so & consistently charges to a full 320km.

Balancing (aka equalisation) always takes place after a full 100% charge on any chemistry. At this point the power draw drops from full whack (32A 7kW single phase here) to a trickle charge. That balancing phase & monitoring of this can be variously observed, say on the wall box software, on an OBD dongle, or on the car’s front indicator charging port. When the lights go off, its done.

I charge my car to 100% and balance regularly every two weeks from lowest at 20% to 100% and balance. This is always fully done within the six hour overnight off-peak period between 12am-6am. A long range NMC battery will take far longer under the same conditions & so would be inclined to balance from a higher starting point given the timing.

Then on the other hand, some EV manufacturers like BYD suggest running the battery down to a lower SOC before balancing those cells. YMMV, but as I said, I found NMC to be a bit of a PITA over time. This will change no doubt with some overdue battery chemistry upgrades coming shortly from CATL and BYD.
 
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Since October 2023, I've been charging at home mostly at 11kW, up to 80% except a few times when more is needed for a longer trip. I've never seen a prompt to slow-charge. Year 2023 ZS LR.
 
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My gen 2 lfp shows this on the dash when complete and the app changes to not charging other reason! 99% of my charging is from solar less than 4kW. Balance charge took 20 min past 100% at 8A/1.6kW
 

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You can practically only balance on an AC 7kW charger, also granny but that would usually take far too long to be useful or convenient.
I only have access to 11kW chargers and I occasionally charge to 100%. Does that mean it has never been balanced?
 
I only have access to 11kW chargers and I occasionally charge to 100%. Does that mean it has never been balanced?

according to the instruction manual... you can get slow chargers cheaply online and you never know when you might need one ...
 
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I only have access to 11kW chargers and I occasionally charge to 100%. Does that mean it has never been balanced?
11 kW "chargers" are fine for balancing. The issue is whether or not the "charger" will continue supplying power when the charge rate decreases to very low levels, as are typically seen during balancing. 11 kW "chargers" act the same as 7 kW and all other AC "chargers" in this respect.

Rapid DC chargers, by contrast, typically refuse to charge all the way to 100%, let alone past 100% to allow balancing.
 
I know there has been a number of threads related to this subject, but is there a definitive way of achieving this; specifically:
  • How often should it be done?
  • Can you only do a balance at 100% on a granny charger?
  • Can you do a balance at 100% with a home 7kW charger?
  • Can you balance on higher output chargers or not?
Many thanks for any replies.
I have MG5
I know there has been a number of threads related to this subject, but is there a definitive way of achieving this; specifically:
  • How often should it be done?
  • Can you only do a balance at 100% on a granny charger?
  • Can you do a balance at 100% with a home 7kW charger?
  • Can you balance on higher output chargers or not?
Many thanks for any replies.
I know there has been a number of threads related to this subject, but is there a definitive way of achieving this; specifically:
  • How often should it be done?
  • Can you only do a balance at 100% on a granny charger?
  • Can you do a balance at 100% with a home 7kW charger?
  • Can you balance on higher output chargers or not?
Many thanks for any replies.
We have the MG5 and ZS LONG RANGE TROPHY and I either charge them both on the granny charger fully or CCS charge them to 60% then complete them to100% with the granny charger, hope this someone
 
I don't think about it.

Just charge your car as normal (from home) and just make sure every so often you are letting it go to 100% overnight.
My home charger is rated at 7.2kW but the car reports 6.8kW on Ismart App so losses when converting from AC to On board DC.
 
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