EV opposition in the media is ramping up

[siteguru]

I'm in the Dave Takes It On school of motoring ... my car range exceeds my bladder range, so as I have to stop anyway I can charge up at the same time.

 

[OriginalBigAl]

I'm in the Dave Takes It On school of motoring ... my car range exceeds my bladder range, so as I have to stop anyway I can charge up at the same time.

You can also charge up the windscreen washer bottle!!!! No! why did I think that.?

 

[Rolfe]

I have a 165 mile range MG ZS and whilst I charge happily at home, I would say that long journeys require planning in a way that petrol stops don't.

I think that's changing though. I don't think it will be long before you can go off and simply expect to be able to find a rapid charger when you want one, in the same way you expect to find a petrol station when you want one. Come to that, just trusting to luck that you'll find a petrol station isn't always a great strategy either. (Traumatic flashback memories of standing in a forest in Bavaria that was about the size of Perthshire stammering "Tankstelle?" to a passing traffic cop.)

Indeed, the availability of the apps probably encourages over-planning. Since you can check your route and check what's there, you do, even though you might not really need to.

 

[Gadget Geek]

I recently did a road trip without any planning, just using Google Maps to show me nearby chargers. without any problems except the cost. Plan if you want to do it cheaply, otherwise just wing it. It's fun.

 

[fnegroni]

i still pre plan but now only if going somewhere remote and only takes 5 minutes to double check where the chargers are on route. It’s getting easier and easier every day.

 

[EVsince2016]

My planning has changed from where is there a charger, so which route must I take to: -

France / Portugal - light planning as there's always a charger which is clearly signposted but look for cheaper chargers
or
Remoter areas, Spain / Germany etc - add all good chargers to saved on Google maps. Plan in detail

 

[tsedge]

For normal long journeys my planning time is now minimal, I spend a few minutes looking at the route and where we might want to stop and at the same time it only takes a moment to find nearby charging options.

It isn't taking me any longer than I spent planning long journeys with my ICE car.

Because of live data, I am also finding that I am almost never arriving at a charging station and not being able to charge - it is about as often as arriving at a petrol station and finding it is temporary closed.

I am queuing much LESS often than with my ICE vehicles, where I always had to fill up away from home and frequently found queues at the petrol station.

 

[Nevo1footy]

I have to say I am enjoying the mg zs with 'limited range` not having to top up with petrol is good but longer journeys do need planning a bit more, great using the zappi but out and about charging getting dearer. One thing I do notice is I do drive a bit slower, a bit more carefully and smoothly. The move against EVs is understandable as the battery raw materials do come at a cost to those mining them and the environment and what's going to happen to them if they go kaput. I bought mine as living in rep of Ireland there were zero costs importing one from northern Ireland. Time will tell me in about 3-4 years when it's resale time whether or not it was a good decision.

 

[Gomev]

.... The move against EVs is understandable as the battery raw materials do come at a cost to those mining them and the environment and what's going to happen to them if they go kaput. ...

Methinks you have been reading too much FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt).

 

[Bam Bam]

The move against EVs is understandable as the battery raw materials do come at a cost to those mining them and the environment and what's going to happen to them if they go kaput.

I can understand the "move against EVs" if it comes from people who are anti-car and who bike everywhere.

I don't get it when it is EVs vs. ICE cars. Batteries can be used thousands of times and then recycled, whereas burned fuel is a one-time thing with the emissions immediately lost to the atmosphere effectively forever.

 

[emmrecs]

with the emissions immediately lost to the atmosphere effectively forever.

Perhaps that would be better-worded as the emissions immediately added to the atmosphere, effectively forever?

But fundamentally, I agree wholly with what you are saying. ?

 

[Archev]

Course they have, it's not a new EV phenomenon. As EV haters and the Media would have everyone believe. It really is all getting a bit boring now. ?

Even the electric model railways - sorry railroads depict the ice mobiles are the ones on fire ??

 

[decrep]

Looks more like a boiling radiator to me.
But that's another thing we don't have to worry about!

Inefficiently getting rid of wasted heat

 

[Rolfe]

Yeah. Looks just like my Fiesta on the M25 in the roadworks contraflow in about 1991 when the ambient temperature was about 27. I needed the rescue van.

 

[Archev]

Yeah. Looks just like my Fiesta on the M25 in the roadworks contraflow in about 1991 when the ambient temperature was about 27. I needed the rescue van.

It wasn’t either of those problems on my mind as I came home from the railroad museum yesterday. I experienced severe range anxiety ?
As I bowled along lane four on the very busy freeway I noticed there were no numbers displayed on the GOM ??
I’ve never known range anxiety like it. Sitting there at 70 on the “wrong” side of the road in an unfamiliar monster of a 5.7 litre V8 truck. I put $50 dollars worth of dinosaur dregs in just a day or two ago. I lifted off on the accelerator but there’s no regen. Indicate and squeeze over to the inner lane in case it reaches the bottom of the tank. I’d no idea where I was let alone where the next boatload of fuel could be obtained. Of course I came off the freeway at the next opportunity but that just put me on another freeway and I ended up coming off that in a few more miles into a residential area. Honestly, they go on about ev chargers being few and far apart !! Then the only fuel station I came upon was on the other side of the road requiring a U turn which wasn’t allowed which I tried anyway as there was no traffic luckily because the steering lock, or rather lack there off meant mounting the kerb a wee bit.
So I made it - except I pulled in to the wrong side of the pump and it wouldn’t accept my card. I had to go to the kiosk and explain to the lovely old Mexican lady why I couldn’t pay at the pump like “normal” folk in those parts. After a couple of attempts we got the card to work. I faffed about with the nozzle before I could get it to actually fill the tank. Then I had to coax the minions that my Granddaughter had infected my Waze satnav with, to assist me to get back.
Isn’t an ev a joy ?

 

[Rolfe]

I've had far more scary moments like that in ICE cars for sure. I told about the time I found the petrol station at Kirkby Lonsdale closed on Christmas Eve, and I hadn't enough to get to Tebay if I'd gone on the motorway. So. I snuck down the A road that parallels the motorway south to Burton in Kendal, found the flyover across the motorway to get me on the west (northbound) side, then went the wrong way down a one-way service road to get to the petrol forecourt of the service station. On another occasion when I made the exact same mistake I did manage to hypermile to Tebay, heart in mouth.

Or there am I in a 1.1 litre Fiesta, standing in the middle of a forest in Bavaria about the size of Perthshire, stammering the word "Tankstelle?" (hastily looked up in dictionary) to a passing cop. (Closer inspection revealed that the petrol station he directed me to was actually shown on the map I was following, but it was in such small print I hadn't noticed it.)

 

[tsedge]

From The Telegraph:

https://archive.is/20240717124433/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/07/17/insanity-labour-electric-car-plan-now-glaringly-obvious/

 

[Gadget Geek]

From The Telegraph:

https://archive.is/20240717124433/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/07/17/insanity-labour-electric-car-plan-now-glaringly-obvious/

This article wasn't about EV opposition, it was about international trade and the effect of cheap Chinese imports affecting trade agreements. A very good piece I thought.

 

[tsedge]

This article wasn't about EV opposition, it was about international trade and the effect of cheap Chinese imports affecting trade agreements. A very good piece I thought.

Telegraph is the source of a lot of EV opposition stories and the language used such as "forcing us into EVs" displays this. Talking about the government's plan as an insanity is not a pro-EV position.

Trade restriction discussions are highly relevant to EV owners.

And I speak apolitically, I didn't vote for the current government.

 

[Coulomb]

A local (to me, Australian) piece on EV bashing. I was shocked how comprehensive it is. The list just goes on and on! Obviously, there is some organisation behind it.



The video should start at about 6'53", where the EV bashing piece starts.