Trophy vs GT

[Moroboshi]

I've been reading a few Cyberster reviews and I came across one (apologies, I forget which one) which claimed that the handling was superior in the GT. Curious as the GT is heavier. Is there any truth in this?

I've not ordered yet, and I was thinking Trophy due to the increased range and well, 3 seconds to 60 is surely overkill anyway. But if the handling is markedly worse in the Trophy...

 

[SunriseJak]

Hi,
The difference in weight is less than 5% or about the weight of an average man. (depending where you live ) I doubt its material to street handling. The GT with its front motor puts weight distribution at an even 50/50 instead of the 51/49 rear bias for the Trophy. This might be the explanation for the GT over the Trophy in handling. But if not on a race track and on public roads I doubt any substantive difference. Until someone does a back to back comparison between the GT and Trophy its all just guessing. Reduced range for the GT on the specification sheet does not detail if the dual motor (front) was employed for testing or were the estimates taken from "comfort mode" only which is rear wheel drive only. One would think the range testing would consider the front motor contributing at least a bit as its a dual motor car. The GT in "comfort mode" seems to get quite good range. I've never run it in a wide enough range to measure objectively. My average (according to the display) is a bit over 14 liters per 100k. Now with close to 14,000 km on the clock. Of course much worse if enjoying aggressive use of "sport mode" or higher speeds. A discussion took place about the friction and drag caused by the unpowered front motor in the GT in "comfort mode" (front motor along for the ride). Seat of the pants feeling is that no resistance can be felt. But that's subjective of course. I bought a GT as that's all that's available here in Thailand. However, I would still have bought a GT. Its like having 2 cars in one. In "comfort mode" its pretty much a Trophy and nice touring car. In "sport mode" it a muscle car. I drive predominantly in "comfort" but with every drive I will employ the use of dual motors and it never ceases to amaze. Frankly that much power is not necessary, but you would never know it from the smile on my face. The added cost could be a factor at another 5K lbs. But that's like 10% additional cost for a "2nd car" experience. I don't know if insurance is different or not as we don't get the Trophy. If the Trophy were substantially less weight (smaller battery) it might be a different story but with the same battery and less than a 5% favorable weight advantage I think the GT represents a more compelling proposition.

 

[Moroboshi]

Interesting, thanks. It did seem strange that MG would set the GT up to drive better, there'd be no logic to it.

As for the range difference, can any owners throw some real world range/miles per KW stats into the ring? I'd be curious to know what the difference is on both between Comfort mode and the more racey alternatives.

 

[SunriseJak]

Interesting, thanks. It did seem strange that MG would set the GT up to drive better, there'd be no logic to it.

As for the range difference, can any owners throw some real world range/miles per KW stats into the ring? I'd be curious to know what the difference is on both between Comfort mode and the more racey alternatives.

Hi,
Oops correction on the efficiency in units. Its actually 14.8 Kwh per 100 km. (I somehow in my head had liters of course which is ICE related). This equates to about 4.2 miles per Kwh. I live rural with predominantly 2 lane country type roads. Hence the modest driving speeds on normal daily drives.

 

[GranTurismoEra]

The back can kick out on the trophy but its negated by weight. So its more controlled. The motor on the trophy is single. In the GT the front motor is not resisting in comfort mode as far as I read. 5 seconds in the trophy is quick. Being EV it will feel torquey and fast.

Ive heard of 4 miles per kwh in comfort at a stretch. And lower for Sport modes.

There are some discounts on the Trophy with some dealers for brand new

 

[leomindel]

We went with the GT when driving in comfort the economy is similar. EV driving is more about your right foot and using ABRP or similar for long distance route planning. Enjoy whichever you choose.

 

[CybersterWatcher]

Comparing single vs dual motor engagement on range is a little difficult because the throttle response changes when you deploy both motors.

That makes you drive a little quicker (and you normally on engage it when you want to drive quicker) so the KW/M drops.

I normally get 2.7miles/KW in comfort mode in the winter and 2.3miles/KW in sport mode but then I’m certainly using the extra power to play with the car.

 

[Moroboshi]

Comparing single vs dual motor engagement on range is a little difficult because the throttle response changes when you deploy both motors.

That makes you drive a little quicker (and you normally on engage it when you want to drive quicker) so the KW/M drops.

I normally get 2.7miles/KW in comfort mode in the winter and 2.3miles/KW in sport mode but then I’m certainly using the extra power to play with the car.

That would equate to I guess around 200 miles of range? Kinda low, not ideal for road trips!

 

[CybersterWatcher]

That would equate to I guess around 200 miles of range? Kinda low, not ideal for road trips!

Bingo, my round trip is 100 miles and that uses 50% of the battery at 70mph on the motorway. Going to 75mph drops that to 55% of the battery used.

That’s all EVs though, they don’t like constant high speed driving, there is no regen and without the heat pump the Cyberster uses 10% for cabin heating.

That’s 4 hours of driving before you’ve got to recharge though (to 80%) and it’ll do that in 50 mins on a decent charger

 

[Moroboshi]

I'd be using the car for day trips, all easily within range, but also big euro road trips where I drive to the south of France, Italy etc. It would be the height of Summer, and I could peg it to 70mph rather than the normal 80 on the autoroutes, but still, the mileage is significant.

I guess nobody here has seen the car's performance in the summer so who knows, maybe the Trophy could get up to 250miles? Maybe 275?

 

[Chongma]

Over the first 5 cold months, the car has consistently said I've been averaging 3.3 miles/KWh, probably about 2.8 - 3.7 depending on traffic and how much fun I want to have. However during this glorious month of March, with the much nicer temperatures and sunshine, I seem to be averaging about 3.9, but am seeing this regularly up in the 4s!

 

[Moroboshi]

Over the first 5 cold months, the car has consistently said I've been averaging 3.3 miles/KWh, probably about 2.8 - 3.7 depending on traffic and how much fun I want to have. However during this glorious month of March, with the much nicer temperatures and sunshine, I seem to be averaging about 3.9, but am seeing this regularly up in the 4s!View attachment 35570

Which would give 300 miles or so? Judging by your profile pic I'm assuming you have a Trophy?

Sounds a lot healthier for long distance trips. Calais to the south of France is about 750 miles, so 2 or maybe 3 charges I assume would do it.

 

[Chongma]

Which would give 300 miles or so? Judging by your profile pic I'm assuming you have a Trophy?

Sounds a lot healthier for long distance trips. Calais to the south of France is about 750 miles, so 2 or maybe 3 charges I assume would do it.

Yep, this is in a Trophy. During winter, I charge from 20% to 80% and drive 150 miles before it gets back down to 20% again. So that would be about 250mikes in the winter from a full battery. And definitely currently trending more in these warmer months.

 

[CybersterWatcher]

GT, half of my miles are on the motorway but no-where near 3.3miles/kw.

 

[Moroboshi]

GT, half of my miles are on the motorway but no-where near 3.3miles/kw.
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The difference between Trophy and GT can't be that big surely? From 4 miles per kw to 2.4?

Any other GT owners able to chime in with their own miles per kw figures?

 

[CybersterWatcher]

It’s more like 2.8miles/kw over my entire trip, that’s mostly 70mph with some 50mph sections and then a final few miles at 30mph.

That’s in 7 Celsius temps with the heating set at 24c for driver and passenger, with the lights on and music going.

Ev-database says the GT should manage 180 miles at highway speeds until it hits 10% battery which equates to 2.7miles/kw which sounds about right.

It says the Trophy should manage 190 miles so I suspect other drivers are going at more more scenic speeds to get the 4miles/kw.

 

[SunriseJak]

It’s more like 2.8miles/kw over my entire trip, that’s mostly 70mph with some 50mph sections and then a final few miles at 30mph.

That’s in 7 Celsius temps with the heating set at 24c for driver and passenger, with the lights on and music going.

Ev-database says the GT should manage 180 miles at highway speeds until it hits 10% battery which equates to 2.7miles/kw which sounds about right.

It says the Trophy should manage 190 miles so I suspect other drivers are going at more more scenic speeds to get the 4miles/kw.

Yes indeed the enemy of battery efficiency is temperature and speed. The average ambient temperature for my drives is about 30 degrees C. Its easy for the battery and HVAC (aircon) to manage. As for speed,,, averaging 70-80 km/hr on rural roads makes for some really good efficiency. My Tesla actually does closer to 4.4 mi/kwh. I'm rarely on motorways. Another drain on efficiency is top down motoring. Evenings in Thailand is ideal for top down roadster use. But the efficiency does suffer a bit enjoying the night sky.

 

[leomindel]

The difference between Trophy and GT can't be that big surely? From 4 miles per kw to 2.4?

Any other GT owners able to chime in with their own miles per kw figures?

3.9 in the GT yesterday which was 17deg. Unless you floor it you should be able to get 3.5 or better in either spec. In my MG5 today and the temp is slightly lower it is 3.9.

EV touring is about stopping Dijon to buy the mustard not about seeing trees sweeping by at a million miles an hour

 

[Moroboshi]

3.9 in the GT yesterday which was 17deg. Unless you floor it you should be able to get 3.5 or better in either spec. In my MG5 today and the temp is slightly lower it is 3.9.

EV touring is about stopping Dijon to buy the mustard not about seeing trees sweeping by at a million miles an hour

That's a nice way of putting it. I like it.

On past road trips in my MX-5 we've pretty much sat on the autoroute at 80 and eaten up the miles, generally going around 400 miles on the first day, staying somewhere picturesque in the French countryside overnight then doing another 300 or so miles the next day.

It looks like the charging network in France is pretty comprehensive too, much better than in the UK. Kind of a shame that the Cyberster doesn't charge quicker given the cost. 250kw would have made a nice difference.

 

[leomindel]

We covered lots about charging and travelling through Europe on a podcast episode.

I assure you the speed of charging is not an issue

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