BYD issues in China

[Delboy102000]

This video shows issues with BYD electric vehicles in China rather dramatically. Has anyone heard of anything similar with MG’s.
All sounds a bit concerning.

 

[peterseddon]

Looks like he's a China basher from his channel posts.

 

[Delboy102000]

Looks like he's a China basher from his channel posts.

That may be the case, but my real concern was had any Mg owners heard of or experienced similar problems.
That is why I posted the video. It’s contents cannot be a total lie and it gives food for thought.

 

[N2STY]

Done a quick search on YouTube (Tesla bursting into flames) and there are loads then (MG) and 0 then (saic) 0 not very scientific but reassuring

 

[Lovemyev]

You may come across a few other marks popping up also, like an ID3.
I watched the BYD video a couple of days ago and it was interesting to note two things. Just how difficult they where to extinguish and also some of them where either charging from a rapid unit at the time or had just finished charging.
A lot of heat being generated of course !.
I am sure it would not take long to string together a video of a few fossil cars catching on fire ? also ?.

 

[Gadget Geek]

I remember A level chemistry from my ancient past, where the lecturer threw a small nugget of lithium into a tin bath of water on a playing field. The exothermic reaction was quite spectacular!

 

[N2STY]

Is this not why byd have now gone down the blade route now one of the safest batterys ?

 

[DB Go Rex]

That may be the case, but my real concern was had any Mg owners heard of or experienced similar problems.
That is why I posted the video. It’s contents cannot be a total lie and it gives food for thought.

The problem is that a few random YouTube videos tell us nothing.

You could literally show a burning ICE car for every one of these incidents. You don't even know if the fires started in the battery itself.

If it was accompanied by some solid stats and industry body comment, I'd be interested. Until then it's just some guy posting stuff on YouTube.

 

[timeades]

You just have to love the desperation of these ICE loving clowns trying to turn these incidents into a major catastrophe in the hope of turning people away from EV's. I get it daily when people find out I have an EV on order "they are dangerous a lot of them catch fire" or "they can't be put out when they catch fire" is the typical things I hear. When you look at the figures though it just doesn't stand up. OK these figures are now 2 years old and just for London but:

'Although these fires do present a real danger, fortunately for us they remain very rare.

Data obtained by Air Quality News through a Freedom of Information (FOI) request revealed that in 2019 the London Fire Brigade dealt with just 54 electric vehicle fires compared to 1,898 petrol and diesel fires.

Similarly, so far in 2020, the fire services have dealt with 1,021 petrol and diesel fires and just 27 electric vehicle fires.'

 

[tsedge]

EV fires are much rarer than ICE fires, around 1/50th as common I believe. When they do go up it is slow (if ultimately spectacular) and there's plenty of time to escape unlike ICE fires.

I don't think there is any data on BYD yet but since the Chinese lead the world in battery design it is unlikely they would suffer a big problem such as that reported.

 

[timeades]

EV fires are much rarer than ICE fires, around 1/50th as common I believe. When they do go up it is slow (if ultimately spectacular) and there's plenty of time to escape unlike ICE fires.

I don't think there is any data on BYD yet but since the Chinese lead the world in battery design it is unlikely they would suffer a big problem such as that reported.

When you think that China has nearly 30% penetration of EV's into the market it's not a surprise they have a few more car fires

 

[tsedge]

If you think about it, nobody would approve ICE cars now. "You want to drive around by creating thousands of little explosions a minute using flammable liquid?!?!". I mean petrol engines literally have spark generators sitting two feet from the pump!

 

[Delboy102000]

I posted the video as food for thought. I am sure all the comments above ring true, but still feel the pictures were interesting and thought provoking. I am an ev owner, on my third actually, but feel the report should be thought about.
Also I asked if any Mg owners like me had any issues. That was my purpose.

 

[EWD]

Standards and health & safety in China are not at the same level as in western countries. Many of these China only EVs are built to a much cheaper price point and corners get cut.

I'm guessing it's not the export models that are going up in smoke but rather the cheaper models for the home market.

 

[timeades]

Standards and health & safety in China are not at the same level as in western countries. Many of these China only EVs are built to a much cheaper price point and corners get cut.

I'm guessing it's not the £30k+ (equivalent) models that are going up in smoke but rather the cheaper models for the home market.

BYD's start at around £10,000 in China but BYD are not a China only company so I'd be surprised if they had two production lines, one producing sub standard vehicles for the home market.

 

[DB Go Rex]

I posted the video as food for thought. I am sure all the comments above ring true, but still feel the pictures were interesting and thought provoking. I am an ev owner, on my third actually, but feel the report should be thought about.
Also I asked if any Mg owners like me had any issues. That was my purpose.

What report?

 

[AK OK]

I remember A level chemistry from my ancient past, where the lecturer threw a small nugget of lithium into a tin bath of water on a playing field. The exothermic reaction was quite spectacular!

Wimps! Ours was sodium behind a bent perspex shield on the front desk

You just have to love the desperation of these ICE loving clowns trying to turn these incidents into a major catastrophe in the hope of turning people away from EV's. I get it daily when people find out I have an EV on order "they are dangerous a lot of them catch fire" or "they can't be put out when they catch fire" is the typical things I hear. When you look at the figures though it just doesn't stand up. OK these figures are now 2 years old and just for London but:

'Although these fires do present a real danger, fortunately for us they remain very rare.

Data obtained by Air Quality News through a Freedom of Information (FOI) request revealed that in 2019 the London Fire Brigade dealt with just 54 electric vehicle fires compared to 1,898 petrol and diesel fires.

Similarly, so far in 2020, the fire services have dealt with 1,021 petrol and diesel fires and just 27 electric vehicle fires.'

Think we might enjoy some "as a proportion" percentages as opposed to just counting the number & saying "there see"?

The problem is that a few random YouTube videos tell us nothing.

You could literally show a burning ICE car for every one of these incidents. You don't even know if the fires started in the battery itself.

Is where it started relevant?

 

[JimD]

If you're worried about you car catching fire, keep away from ICE cars at all costs.

Are electric car fires really that common? | The Car Expert

Spend time on social media and you'll read many stories about electric car fires. But do EVs really catch fire all the time or is it a myth?

www.thecarexpert.co.uk

 

[timeades]

Think we might enjoy some "as a proportion" percentages as opposed to just counting the number & saying "there see"?

OK so for the American market in 2021the figures were:

'AutoInsuranceEZ studied the frequency of fires—from all causes, including collisions—in automobiles in 2021. It found that hybrid vehicles, which have an internal combustion engine and an electric motor, had the most fires per 100,000 vehicles (3475), while vehicles with just an internal combustion engine placed second (1530 per 100,000). Fully electric vehicles had the fewest: 25 per 100,000. These findings were based on data from the National Transportation Safety Board and the Bureau of Transportation Statistics.'

UK is a bit more difficult to find accurate figures as UK seems to lump all EV's together, hybrid, pure EV's, electric scooters etc.

'Data obtained through a Freedom of Information (FOI) request revealed that in 2019 the London Fire Brigade dealt with 54 electric vehicle fires compared with 1,898 petrol and diesel fires.

Vehicle registration numbers from the Department for Transport (DfT) show there are 50,000-plus plug-in cars licensed in the capital out of a total 4.63 million licensed cars.

Looking at the London Fire Brigade data, that would suggest an incident rate of 0.04% for petrol and diesel car fires, while the rate for plug-in vehicle is more than double at 0.1%. So far this year, there have been 1,021 petrol and diesel fires and 27 EV fires in the capital.'

 

[Cocijo]

You just have to love the desperation of these ICE loving clowns trying to turn these incidents into a major catastrophe in the hope of turning people away from EV's. I get it daily when people find out I have an EV on order "they are dangerous a lot of them catch fire" or "they can't be put out when they catch fire" is the typical things I hear. When you look at the figures though it just doesn't stand up. OK these figures are now 2 years old and just for London but:

'Although these fires do present a real danger, fortunately for us they remain very rare.

Data obtained by Air Quality News through a Freedom of Information (FOI) request revealed that in 2019 the London Fire Brigade dealt with just 54 electric vehicle fires compared to 1,898 petrol and diesel fires.

Similarly, so far in 2020, the fire services have dealt with 1,021 petrol and diesel fires and just 27 electric vehicle fires.'

I don’t know who you are talking to daily to get those remarks, but I have never had anyone say anything remotely about catching fire. Most people will ask about range and charging and cost - but daily saying they are dangerous and catch fire - really?