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Mgkev

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Just finished waxoiling the underside of my MG. I managed to get the stuff in my hair so that won’t be going rusty either. I did notice that there appeared to be some brown staining to the lower edge of the rear crash beam but that might have been dried droplets of the spray oil I used in January. I’ll keep a keen eye on this. I also wiped two stroke oil over the suspension parts.
Whilst under the car I noticed that there is a huge amount of space beneath where the rear seat is located, I guess this is where the petrol tank would be located on the fossil fuel car. I thought it could be utilised as place for an additional 10Kw battery if MG wanted to market a longer range version.
 
Do you ever think they will ever produce expansions packs that can be wired in to the existing system??
 
@ Mgkev,
I am with Paulie68 on this issue.
We should not build false hopes so far as MG is concerned.
We have to deal with the reality of how MG works.
Unlike Tesla where the approach is "the best at any cost", the MG approach is "the smallest minimum for maximum profit".
It is unlikely that SAIC/MG will provide a purpose made range extender battery.
There is no profit in it for them.
 
@ Mgkev,
I am with Paulie68 on this issue.
We should not build false hopes so far as MG is concerned.
We have to deal with the reality of how MG works.
Unlike Tesla where the approach is "the best at any cost", the MG approach is "the smallest minimum for maximum profit".
It is unlikely that SAIC/MG will provide a purpose made range extender battery.
There is no profit in it for them.

Tesla cars are certainly not built at any cost. They are acutely aware of controlling costs and constantly bringing down the cost to build each car. As a result they make a larger profit margin per car than literally any other mass auto manufacturer! Tesla body build and quality are also distinctly average, nothing special there at all. The magic is the drive train and on board tech. :)
 
If I can add to that;
I think their charging network is also attractive to first time EV buyers.
 
But they quite a lot more expensive than the MG...and personally I love the (smallish) SUV styling of the MG.
 
Although the MG is a bit annoying with some software aspects I still believe it is a great car at this price, you want more you pays more!
I bought it as a local run about so carrying a larger battery/range that the will reduce the miles per KWh wouldn’t work for me. Horses for courses.
 
Absolutely ...if the MG had a bit more range (and no BONGS) .....it would be PERFECT for me, as it is, it does me a pretty good job. :)
 
@ Mgkev and All MG folk,
Please don't get me wrong. I am not one for "bigging up" Tesla but the fact is they run up large losses in the beginning but kept on improving all aspects of their build from power train to body and suspension. Now they are racking in the money by simple economy of scale due to large market share.
In the past most car manufacturers like the BMWs and AUDIs also did approach production and marketing in a similar fashion. The approach was let a manufacturer show how good it's cars are and in the end the customers will come. Then profits will also come from increase in market share and technical improvement in the production process and the cars.
MG's approach is totally different so all l am saying is that we as MG owners and customers should understand how MG operates and what we can expect from MG.
The so called " Vorsprung durch Technik" approach is not basis of MGs marketing and production.
No not at all. MG' s approach is profit with the smallest of input. For example, MG understand that EV customers may come to MG if they can not afford something else. MG hence produces a car ZS EV not to compete with Tesla in terms of technology and quality but rather as a car that has the barest minimum of features that will make it acceptable to those who could not afford a Tesla and would make MG maximum profit. That's the MG way.
 
MG have always been at the "affordable"end of the market.

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Look at the MGB.....it was not priced like an Aston Martin, or E Type Jag....etc etc.

But they sold thousands of them and many of them are still abound 45 years later .
 
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I think Tesla are great company and admire what they have achieved in a very short time.
Tesla are out for me at present due to cost and lack of dealerships, my nearest is 90 miles away. MG like all other car manufacturers are only in it to make money and will cut corners where possible just look at the radiator for the EDS it is clearly an ICE item with reducing connectors to fit the smaller EV pipe work. I was only looking over the car today and noticed what I thought are good engineering practices, better than in my Prius in some areas, and I’m a Toyota fan boy!
Only time will tell if the MG brand is any good though.
 
@ Chrispydoc and @ Mgkev
Perfectly true all you have said.
I am basically tiring to be down to earth about things and be truthful about MG.
Although half of me hopes I am wrong.!!!
The Old BritishMG was indeed the affordable Austin Martin.
New Chinese MG is a new Beast. Now that we all have MGs it is a Beast we must get to know and now well.
It has no aspirations of becoming the affordable Austin Martin. Not at all.
May be I am completely wrong but having followed MGs recent developments closely, what I can say is that the new Chinese MG approach is "profit, profit, profit" style, comfort and technical advancement are secondary and tertiary issues in their production considerations.
It is said that the most tech advanced regular production ICE car produced by MG in last 30 years remains the Rover 75 and late 400 series. Cars that are over 20 years old. None of the more recent MG vehicles come with technology which is comparatively over and above Rover 75/ 400 in their prime.
Since SAIC China takeover, the new MG models are all considered average or below and probably technologically inferior to R75 / 400 in it prime except may be MG 3 which was deemed slightly above average. Many of the new MG models also suffered a high frequency of recalls and repeated unsuccessful updates similar to those we are having with the delayed charging software of the ZS EV. In fact some new models in the end seem to have been withdrawn from the UK/EU market due to lack of reliability which led to a stop in UK production in 2016. Since 2016 MG is made solely in China with skeleton design support in UK.
When MG entered into EV market one thought they would adopt a deferent approach to their ICE production.Given SAIC have been in the EV production and EV battery production longer than most car makers, one may be forgiven if one thinks MG will compete at the every top. The production of MG ZS EV has however confirmed that MG is toeing the same minimum input for maximum profit line on EV as in ICE.
I like the ZS EV because it is cheap but that is it. Nothing else about it is good.
When it comes to range it is a bad car. It performs extremely poorly in winter so far as range is concerned. My wife and I live within 10 miles of work. Round trip to work is 20 miles. On some extremely busy weekend duties one has to make this journey about 10-12 times. The ZS EV has never been able to complete a duty weekend on a single charge even in Eco mode. Their advertised city drive range of 215 miles seems an absolute fantasy.
Absence of basic charging software mean one is paying more to charge than is necessary. Even if it is cheap than petrol it is still an absolute stupidity that one can delay start a 1980 made in China washing machine or dishwasher but not delay charge 2020 MG ZS EV also made in China. Even more insulting to us who have bought the ZS EV is the fact that virtually all EVs assembled in China for other brands have delayed charging as a compulsory standand item. Let's hope that MG have understood their stupidity so far as this issue is concerned and that the promised updates are truly in the pipeline.
Efficiency is poor...... except one drives in Eco mode persistently and at less than 20mph efficiency is very poor far below 3m/kWh.
Bongs and a pack of unnecessary engine data you all know about and absence of more relevant user data you also know about.
Otherwise it is ZS EV and I love. It is OK and gets me from place to place.
Tesla for me is extremely expensive and I can not afford. It is absolutely off my grid.
So that is that.
I like my ZS EV, I will do everything to keep it going as far as I can but I am not blind to the fact that it is not as good as other EVs.
That is how I see it.
 
OK, As I've nothing better to do, I'd like to reply to this lot! ;)

Perfectly true all you have said.
I am basically tiring to be down to earth about things and be truthful about MG.
Although half of me hopes I am wrong.!!!

I think you are wrong on a lot of this...

The Old BritishMG was indeed the affordable Austin Martin.

Assuming you mean Aston Martin, not really. No MG was ever attempting to be a lower cost version of an Aston, at least not since the very, very early days of both companies, pre '50's.

New Chinese MG is a new Beast. Now that we all have MGs it is a Beast we must get to know and now well.
It has no aspirations of becoming the affordable Austin Martin. Not at all.

Agreed, for the time being. However, if they do go ahead with a production version of the e-motion, this may well change, at least to the degree they are going up against other premium sports cars.

May be I am completely wrong but having followed MGs recent developments closely, what I can say is that the new Chinese MG approach is "profit, profit, profit" style, comfort and technical advancement are secondary and tertiary issues in their production considerations.

Not sure this is correct, initially they were aiming for the budget end of the market, whilst getting a foothold. This is the correct approach and how Datsun/Nissan and latterly Hyundai &, Kia got established. Style is subjective, but seems perfectly OK in this context and in this market segment the latest technical innovation isn't expected. The ZS EV and HS are now building on the budget image and slowly moving it more towards mainstream expectations and pricing with equipment and tech increasing accordingly.

It is said that the most tech advanced regular production ICE car produced by MG in last 30 years remains the Rover 75 and late 400 series. Cars that are over 20 years old. None of the more recent MG vehicles come with technology which is comparatively over and above Rover 75/ 400 in their prime.

I personally still own a launch edition 75, it is indeed a lovely car and had some nice technology (for it's day) Probably was the best Rover to be built in decades at that time.

Since SAIC China takeover, the new MG models are all considered average or below and probably technologically inferior to R75 / 400 in it prime except may be MG 3 which was deemed slightly above average.

The initial UK range of MG was never meant to compare to the old range of cars, as stated above, it was set up as a value for money brand to get re-established. In other parts of the world the 75 continued to be produced and sold, now badged as the MG7 & Roewe 750!! Same technology as the old 75 but actually with some of the 75's known faults (K series head gaskets!) improved upon.

Many of the new MG models also suffered a high frequency of recalls and repeated unsuccessful updates similar to those we are having with the delayed charging software of the ZS EV. In fact some new models in the end seem to have been withdrawn from the UK/EU market due to lack of reliability which led to a stop in UK production in 2016.

Can't comment on the recalls as I'm new to ownership, but the 75 you speak so well of was riddled in annoying faults of all sorts due to under development! I know about all of them as I have one!! I don't know the reasons for stopping UK production, but doubt it had anything to do with levels of reliability.

Since 2016 MG is made solely in China with skeleton design support in UK.

Agreed.

When MG entered into EV market one thought they would adopt a deferent approach to their ICE production.Given SAIC have been in the EV production and EV battery production longer than most car makers, one may be forgiven if one thinks MG will compete at the every top. The production of MG ZS EV has however confirmed that MG is toeing the same minimum input for maximum profit line on EV as in ICE.
I like the ZS EV because it is cheap but that is it. Nothing else about it is good.

The ZS EV is a very high quality car with what appears to be superb build quality for it's price point, what you say here is simply false. Apart from it's price point, it's also excellent all around with a few odd quirks and minor silly omissions. If you really like nothing about the car apart from what it cost you, you're definitely driving the wrong car!!

When it comes to range it is a bad car. It performs extremely poorly in winter so far as range is concerned. My wife and I live within 10 miles of work. Round trip to work is 20 miles. On some extremely busy weekend duties one has to make this journey about 10-12 times. The ZS EV has never been able to complete a duty weekend on a single charge even in Eco mode. Their advertised city drive range of 215 miles seems an absolute fantasy.

You can't be driving it properly, (or is where you live very hilly?) I've yet to get my average range as low as the stated 163 miles and it does much more than this on slower around town use. In the colder temperatures that were around when I first got the car, it still easily got over the quoted 163 miles during mixed driving. If you need a guaranteed range of over 200 miles without charging, don't blame the car, you bought the wrong one!

Absence of basic charging software mean one is paying more to charge than is necessary. Even if it is cheap than petrol it is still an absolute stupidity that one can delay start a 1980 made in China washing machine or dishwasher but not delay charge 2020 MG ZS EV also made in China. Even more insulting to us who have bought the ZS EV is the fact that virtually all EVs assembled in China for other brands have delayed charging as a compulsory standand item. Let's hope that MG have understood their stupidity so far as this issue is concerned and that the promised updates are truly in the pipeline.

Just for fun, but there were no Chinese washing machines of any sort here in 1980 lol!!

It is annoying that the car doesn't have timed charging available on board. Personally, I just fitted a low cost wifi control relay to my dumb charger's handshake control wire to solve the issue.


Efficiency is poor...... except one drives in Eco mode persistently and at less than 20mph efficiency is very poor far below 3m/kWh.

This is simply not true, my long term since buying the car is over 4 miles/kWh. Crawling around town at less than 20 all the time will consistently bring in over 5. There must be an issue here, either with your driving technique or your specific car.

Bongs and a pack of unnecessary engine data you all know about and absence of more relevant user data you also know about.

Set your car up properly!! My car gives a "bong, bong" once after around 30 seconds to advise iv'e got some system or other turned on or off and that's all I get, Unless I leave the car with it still turned on and I want it bonging at me then anyway!!

What is the unnecessary data you refer to?

Otherwise it is ZS EV and I love. It is OK and gets me from place to place.

Tesla for me is extremely expensive and I can not afford. It is absolutely off my grid.
So that is that.

Fair enough.

I like my ZS EV,

Only because it is cheap though, as you stated earlier ;)

I will do everything to keep it going as far as I can but I am not blind to the fact that it is not as good as other EVs.

This is subjective and a bit silly, you might as well ask is an Orange as good as a sausage?

Anyway, some examples to disprove what you say:

The ZS EV is vastly better equipped and safer than the e-up, citigo, & Mii EV's.

A better comparison, It's bigger and said to ride better than the Kona, and can be validly compared to the smaller battery version of this car. Subjective, but many also say it's better looking than the Kona too.


It's definitely better looking than the ugly Leaf and has a much better battery cooling system with regard to longevity as well.

And, for what it's worth, the body fit, finish, alignment and panel gaps are far better than most Tesla's that you see around!

Hopefully, my point has been made here...


That is how I see it.

Fair enough :)

At least we can all agree it's better than any horrible polluting ICE antiques we could have bought new instead!
 
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I can't argue with any of that. I too have owned several Rover 75's and MG's. The BMW engined Diesel 75, was a much more reliable and better car than the petrol versions. IMO.

I too think the MG is a very good EV SUV for the money. It has some niggles, but it puts a smile on my face every time I take it for a run!:)
 
I have just done 161 miles today around the M25 (Stops of in Slough, Berkshire & Bracknell) and didn’t really need to charge the car and averaged 4 miles per kWh and that was at 65 to 70 mph for the majority of my driving (no heater admittedly) and I didn’t really need to charge albeit I did put a little charge in at a Pod-Point free charge at Premier Inn when I pulled over for a small rest and to answer some emails; piece of mind...
Ha look let’s be honest you get what you pay for and yes more mileage capacity would be great, but I love my car it’s a great car, comfortable and a pleasure to drive.
If your really unhappy with it sell it and let someone else have some joy in a fantastic priced entry EV..
I’m keeping mine and would rather drive it compared to my other BMW ICE car...
 
I can't argue with any of that. I too have owned several Rover 75's and MG's. The BMW engined Diesel 75, was a much more reliable and better car than the petrol versions. IMO.

More reliable, yes, nicer, no. The 2.5 V6 Auto was the best of the bunch to drive. Simply a sublime experience, and in connoisseur trim, feels like a truly special place to be. Very "Rover" of old :)
 
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