Will selfish EV owners inhibit the uptake of EVs ?

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Maybe I'm being a bit petty but I've noticed that many EV drivers are using my local Connected Kerb for periods exceeding 12 hours . As I type ther's one that's been "charging " for 15 hours . There are only two charging posts there thus rendering one unusable for the greater part of the day . I've had very few incidents of the charging points being iced but many more of ignorant EV owners blocking the charging posts for excessive charging periods . Allied with the increasing volumes of EV owners in my area this could be a problem in future or even cause people to think again about buying EVs (especially those that can't charge at home).
 
There's an argument that nobody should be required to come outside and unplug their car in the middle of the night just because it's full, but there is something to be said for overstay charges. There are chargers near me that have a four-hour limit from 8 am to 10 pm only. I think the idea is that people using the nearby shops and restaurants should be able to charge if they want to, but people living nearby can have a charger all night. Seems like a good solution.

So really, the problem is soluble, and the issue is the operators of the chargers not enforcing good charger discipline. You can't leave anything to people's better nature because there will ALWAYS be those who will abuse it.
 
I think the 8am to 10pm limit is very sensible and agree that you can't expect people to unplug in the middle of the night . I used the very same charger overnight last week but unplugged as soon as I got up the next morning , Unfortunately the car blocking the charger plugged in about 5 pm yesterday and is still there now at 1.15 pm !!!. Lazy,ignorant and selfish behaviour :mad:
 
Which ought to be prevented by the operator of the chargers. You'll never solve the problem of inconsiderate human beings.

I remonstrared with a guy who was parking his ICE car in the charger bay next to the one I was vacating. His response was, if I don't park here, someone else will.
 
Do they have occupancy charging over there? I've seen the charge for sitting plugged in at a lot of chargers varies the time of day and seems to start 10 mins after the charge has finished. I believe the machines also now take a photograph of the numberplate and if you don't plug in, you get a parking fine ... EV or ICE, doesn't matter, that spot is for EV charging and for the purpose of charging, then get out .... or it will cost you .......

T1 Terry
 
It's absolutely possible to stop this happening and it's the responsibility of the charger operator to do it.

Having said that, 7 kw chargers in big car parks really should be available to the car owner as long as he's parked there. Imagine having to leave a theatre performance or a meeting or cut your shopping trip or your meal short, because you have to move your car! Especially if you're paying for the parking.

Different circumstances require different and sensibly thought out solutions. Sometimes a time limit, sometimes move your car when it's done, sometimes just install more bloody chargers.
 
I think the 8am to 10pm limit is very sensible and agree that you can't expect people to unplug in the middle of the night . I used the very same charger overnight last week but unplugged as soon as I got up the next morning , Unfortunately the car blocking the charger plugged in about 5 pm yesterday and is still there now at 1.15 pm !!!. Lazy,ignorant and selfish behaviour :mad:

What the owners should do is set an overstay fee, more than 4 hours and you get a £1 per minute surcharge. people will soon stop hogging them

Highland council are pretty proactive too, anyone sitting in an EV bay and not charging gets booked.
 
Depends on the circumstances. A 4-hour limit is OK on chargers intended to be used by people shopping or having a meal out, but it's absolutely unreasonable on a destination charger people might want to sit on all night. I am sick to the back teeth going out in the rain at one in the morning to re-start a charge on an AC charger near my friend's house, because it automatically cuts the charge after 4 hours. No actual overstay fee though! So I can leave the car plugged in and not charging as long as I like. It's nuts. (The chargers are mostly ICEd during the day, too.) Destination chargers absolutely should be available for all-night use. What the hell is the point of kicking people off them at two in the morning?

I think in a big car park the solution is to set say a 12-hour limit to avoid endless hogging, but to install more chargers if the ones there are are permanently busy and there is demand. Ideally nobody should be having to rush back to vacate what should really be an EV-equipped parking space before their business is concluded. Twelve hours should let anyone charge to full, and have an overnight sleep, and come back and unplug the car. Or spend as long as they like shopping or in a meeting or at the theatre, without worrying about the parking meter, as it were.

The issue is the small car parks, where more chargers can't be added without eating into the non-charging car park spaces. There, I think a four-hour limit in the daytime is reasonable, but (like in Penicuik) people really have to be allowed to use them overnight without unreasonable penalties or the charge being cut off arbitrarily.
 
There are certainly some ridiculous scenarios that definitely don’t help EV drivers. For example, my local huge Tesco has half a dozen charge points. During the supermarket opening hours, you can park free for 3 hours. When the store is closed, you can only park for half an hour! That’s just so daft. You wouldn’t be inconveniencing anyone if you needed to leave your car charging for an extended period, and there are no barriers to prevent entry and exit. Prior to Covid, the store was open 24 hours, but it closes at midnight now.
 
Most of the people setting these rules have absolutely no idea of the logistics of charging an EV. That's why I was so surprised about the Penicuik rules, because they actually made sense. Also, the 4-hour time limit on the eight AC chargers in a huge Glasgow car park (over 800 spaces) was increased to 12 hours some time I sent them an email detailing why four hours was nuts. No idea if my email had anything to do with it! But a lot of it is simply senseless.
 
It's absolutely possible to stop this happening and it's the responsibility of the charger operator to do it.

Having said that, 7 kw chargers in big car parks really should be available to the car owner as long as he's parked there. Imagine having to leave a theatre performance or a meeting or cut your shopping trip or your meal short, because you have to move your car! Especially if you're paying for the parking.

Different circumstances require different and sensibly thought out solutions. Sometimes a time limit, sometimes move your car when it's done, sometimes just install more bloody chargers.
This happens if you park in 1p area or 3p you get fines for over stays happening a lot in my area u go and move your car and return to wotever.
 
Whenever I take anyone to Heathrow airport, I always park at Hounslow West Underground station and get the tube into the terminal. Now, there are destination chargers there, but they have an overstay penalty, and I don't know how long I am going to be, so I've never used them. Instead, I have to stop off at a rapid charger either on the way there or on the way back.
 
I think it's important to consider the particular circumstances when deciding if a time limit or an overstay penalty is warranted. A small car park where there is pressure on space and the chargers are intended to be used by shoppers or people out for a meal may well justify a four hour limit IN THE DAYTIME.

But large car parks where the EV-dedicated spaces aren't significantly reducing the space for non-charging cars and people may quite legitimately want or need to park for an indefinite period really shouldn't have any limit, or should have a much longer one. The 12 hour limit in that Glasgow car park seems reasonable.

All type 2 chargers also should have a longer limit overnight. If not 12 hours then 10, like the Penicuik ones, allowing people who live nearby to get a full charge from 10 pm till 8 am without blocking the chargers for daytime shoppers.

In the longer term we need to get away from the idea of any time limits on AC chargers and on to providing enough chargers so that anyone can park on one for as long as they like.
 
What the owners should do is set an overstay fee, more than 4 hours and you get a £1 per minute surcharge. people will soon stop hogging them

Highland council are pretty proactive too, anyone sitting in an EV bay and not charging gets booked.
I reported the latest instance to Connected Kerb who informed me they would contact the relevant council authority . What the council can do about it I'm not sure , As far as I'm aware CK can only be accessed by the app , so surely it would be easier for them to ping the customer giving them a " Get out of Dodge" warning else surcharges would be applied to their account ?
 
The ChargePlace Scotland chargers that have overstay fees simply add these to your bill automatically. Stay beyond the time limit on the Glasgow car park chargers and an extra £40 will appear on your bill. That is made perfectly clear right at the start. On our village charger the deal is £1 a minute for overstay, but you get a "grace period" of ten minutes. So in effect you have 9 minutes more than the stated time on the charger, but go over that and it's a £10 fee, increasing by £1 a minute thereafter. I don't know how the Penicuik AC chargers actually enforce the time limits, but I imagine it's similar.

Seems to me a lot of councils (and other operators) haven't thought about it at all and just let people do what they like, while others have thought about it but often impose way to tight restrictions that make it difficult to use their chargers at all.

But it's obviously possible to set the system up from the get-go to impose penalties for taking advantage of the chargers. I believe Tesla chargers start racking up overstay fees from about five minutes after your car stops charging, so that approach is obviously possible too.
 
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Will selfish EV owners inhibit the uptake of EVs ?​


Unfortunately selfish human beings have not stifled the human race to the bottom, so I'd guess not.
 
Some of us have no choice ;)
Truth be told I am also in this situation and use the local PodPoint at Tesco, which is the best of a bad lot.

This is why it’s such an annoyance to me. The fossil fuel companies BP Pulse, Shell Energy etc charge three times the home rate, when they have access to cheap, cheap, wholesale rates.
 
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