Does it come with a granny charger?

[Alun26]

Sorted PCP this afternoon, and collecting motor one day next week, the only thing I forgot to ask if the granny/3 pin plug charging cable comes with the motor, or do I have to purchase one?

 

[BillyWhizz]

Sorted PCP this afternoon, and collecting motor one day next week, the only thing I forgot to ask if the granny/3 pin plug charging cable comes with the motor, or do I have to purchase one?

Mine did and I think they still do but you never know

 

[Nutnut]

For the time being, yes, they're included:

You don't get a type 2 cable with the car only a granny charger ( so called because its slow to change) has a 13 amp plug. You can sometimes get a cable and mats in the deal but maybe too late now. But worth a try. Lol

You should always ask your supplying dealer though, and check...as with price, who knows what else is changing. Also if you hit search, you can often find an answer quicker than a new thread.

 

[Jomarkh]

It should come with a 'granny' but did you negotiate a type2 cable or mats or flaps?

 

[Hotlush]

It should come with granny as standard.
Type 2 on the other hand is down to the dealer.

 

[smoked]

brand new ones should come with the granny - used it can vary - i bought a 2nd hand demonstrator model from Eastcote MG dealership but it didnt come with the granny. i would've thought it would and didnt ask until i'd driven off.

tbh its the type 2 cable that you will be using alot more than a granny

 

[hmadsen]

Depends on the country, in Denmark there is no granny charger or Type 2 cable included, they are both optional extra's you will have to pay for.

But from what i have read, in the UK, they have opted to include the granny.

 

[Jomarkh]

The car when new has a 'granny' come as part of the kit, like the tyre repair liquid and pump. If they are missing they would replace them, so why not the 'granny' unless you were told that it was missing...

 

[Lovemyev]

tbh its the type 2 cable that you will be using alot more than a granny

I think in the U.K. most manufactures tend to favour including a three pin plug Granny unit, over suppling a type 2 cable.
I guess they figure that in a lot of circumstances, more owners are likely to have access to a standard domestic three pin socket outlet, other than having the ability to use a type 2 cable on a wall box or even at a public charger.
It received the name “Granny” because they marketed / sold the idea that you could still charge your EV, while visiting your Granny !.
Plus :- ? it charges at a much slower steady pace also ?.

 

[peterseddon]

A bit too slow and steady for me at just 2kW, would have preferred the full 3kW.

 

[Lovemyev]

A bit too slow and steady for me at just 2kW, would have preferred the full 3kW.

It's at the max end of the scale that you can pull on a standard 13 Amp three pin socket on a domestic supply !.
3 Kw's is above what a 2.5mm cable can safely carry, which what a domestic outlet circuit is commonly wired with.

 

[peterseddon]

It's at the max end of the scale that you can pull on a standard 13 Amp three pin socket on a domestic supply !.
3 Kw's is above what a 2.5mm cable can safely carry, which what a domestic outlet circuit is commonly wired with.

I beg to differ, a ring main of 2.5 twin and earth is good for well over 3 kw. the recommended MCB size for a 2.5 ring main is 32A. A 2.5 radial circuit can be fused at 16A. Your average dish washer or washing machine can pull well over 2.5kW. This info is from the IEE Regs 18th edition.

 

[Malcolm Anderson]

A friend of mine picked up a Cupra Born this week and said he would be charging at public chargers until he got his wall box fitted. I said you could always use the granny to help out a bit. He said he hadn't got one as it would have cost over £200 extra! So it seems not all EVs come with the granny cable.

 

[Thebiglad]

Mine came with a Granny and a Type 2 cable. 95% of my charging is at home via the Granny cable.

 

[Andrew Sinclair]

My 2022 ZS EV SR came with a granny charger I have been using and intended to continue to use. However, just discovered that my property / micro-business is eligible for the Workplace Charging Scheme (WCS) grant which takes the installation for a Zappy down to circa £845 which is quite reasonable.

 

[N2STY]

I beg to differ, a ring main of 2.5 twin and earth is good for well over 3 kw. the recommended MCB size for a 2.5 ring main is 32A. A 2.5 radial circuit can be fused at 16A. Your average dish washer or washing machine can pull well over 2.5kW. This info is from the IEE Regs 18th edition.

It's more to do with constant current over many hours you can easily pull 3kw on a 13amp 3pin plug ie like your kettle so I can totally see why they keep it at 2kw

 

[Lovemyev]

I beg to differ, a ring main of 2.5 twin and earth is good for well over 3 kw. the recommended MCB size for a 2.5 ring main is 32A. A 2.5 radial circuit can be fused at 16A. Your average dish washer or washing machine can pull well over 2.5kW. This info is from the IEE Regs 18th edition.

Although this factually true Pete, but in all fairness your dish washer or washing machine etc is not really a compatible comparison really ?.
It is only pulling a high "pulse" demand when the heater element is calling for heat, from the timer control in the appliance.
On a one hour cycle, this maybe only be 15 - 20 minutes use of heavy demand to heat the water, but in the rest of the cycle, it is demanding a much lower demand than that.
The "Granny" is pulling a constant load of 2 Kw's over a MUCH MUCH longer time, if your SOC is very low.
This is why heat can be felt at a plug top when this high load is constantly passing through the small pins that secure the 13 Amp fuse, over a long period of time.
Long exposure to a high demand will and has caused brown burn stains and has been witnessed at the live conductor pin, at both the plug and the socket outlet.
This risk can be reduced by the use of higher quality electrical equipment, of course.
The weakest part of the set up is here, the conductor points in the three pin plug.
This condition is clearly been evidenced when pulling 2 Kw's.
But then increasing the demand to 3 Kw's surely must increase the risk of damage to the electrics or even a chance of fire ?.
A domestic emersion heater rated at around 3Kw's is very likely to be supplied by a 2.5mm cross sectional cable and yes it works absolutely fine.
But, here it will be wired on its very own dedicated circuit and will be terminated with the higher and correctly rated switching accessories.
Same cable size, same load demand, but totally different application format.
I have used a "Granny" cable for about seven months before having my dedicated wall box installed about 6 years ago.
The "Granny" has now been retired for only very occasional use or purely as a back up.
Only speaking for myself here Pete, but I would never wish to run a "wish list" charger ratted at 3.0 Kw's through my domestic outlets ( all MK branded ) over a long period of time, on a daily or even a weekly basis to be honest Pete.
I like to charge our car on the cheaper "Off - Peak" tariff that we have.
I have no issues or fears doing this while I am sleeping.
Using the supplied 2Kw supplied "Granny" ......... Errrrr - I am also okay with this ( ish ).
But the though of increasing that demand to 3 Kw's via three pin plug ( over night ) ???????.
Some folks are even using plug in timers also, hopefully rated at the correct load scale.
Our electric oven pulls roughly about 3 Kw's via a 30 amp dedicated circuit on a 6.0mm cross sectional cable.
3.0 Kw's on a three pin plug ????.
Not for me thanks !.
Here is a video that explains it better than I can !.
It's a great video, but if you fast forward too 4mins 30 seconds, it covers the concerns surrounding constant use of a standard Granny unit on a domestic application.

 

[N2STY]

It's talked-about in this video from 4m40s
You are limited to 10amps on a 13amp socket for safety for long periods of time but even at 10 amps they can get toastie

 

[Alun26]

Just spoke to dealer, the motor comes with both cables, 3pin and type2. ? ??

 

[peterseddon]

Yes I'm stuck with the "granny" charger for some time to come as our house supply is looped to next door and the DNO wont allow an EV charger to be installed until the next door is un-looped so the extra kW would be most welcome. Still I seem to be managing up to now charging overnight at off peak rates. Just need so constant sunshine so I can put some free electrons into the battery as well.