8 kW Solar + 11 kWh Battery + Ohme EV + Immersion Heater + Intelligent Octopus

I am told that many years ago this village had its own gas works. Builders report finding the remains of old gas installations in older houses. But then came mains gas, and the gas works was to be closed down. A referendum was taken in the village as to whether to connect to mains gas. The majority said no. Idiots.

Does that document disaggregate by area, Alb? Are the prices including or excluding VAT?
 
It's from Boilerjuice.
Live quote for 500 litres in the EH46 area:

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Hmm. My last delivery was over 80p excl VAT, about a month ago. I haven't actually used any yet, or very little (maybe three evenings when the heating was on for about three hours) but I need to look at that. It's a bigger difference than I was expecting.
 
Where are you getting oil at that price? Maybe I need to shop around!
join Oil-Club.co.uk , this week it was 55p in my area and 51p for my elderly mother (Cumbria). Having said that, my local family supplier is normally within 5p / litre, so just mainly use them to support the community.
 
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I've just been quoted 88.98p inclusive of VAT by my normal supplier. If they were significantly above other local suppliers I can't see that they'd have the business, but they deliver to quite a lot of people round here. I don't understand the difference.

Since I've used virtually no oil since the last delivery, not even for water heating now I have the Eddi, maybe just three or four evenings running the boiler for about four hours because it was chilly, I don't know where they're going to put it if they do make their regular delivery attempt. My in-house meter is still reading 10 bars out of 10. So I'm not that fussed right now. It's down on the last delivery, the oil that's still unused in my tank, but only by just over 2p/litre.

I don't understand any of it.
 
I've just been quoted 88.98p inclusive of VAT by my normal supplier. If they were significantly above other local suppliers I can't see that they'd have the business, but they deliver to quite a lot of people round here. I don't understand the difference.

I don't understand any of it.
I don't either, my latest oil-club offer is £0.5635 ppl + vat due to Brent crude remaining below $80 a barrel. We've not used much so I'm still 100 litres shy of the minimum delivery of 500 litres so it will be a few weeks before my next order.
 
Interesting, we've recently moved and have the about perfect roof for solar. Hopefully in a few weeks we'll have 8.8KW of solar and a 10KWh battery system.
Thankfully the house already had a 7KW wall box.
We switched to Octopus Go tariff, that itself has halved our electricity bill.
The solar should produce this annually.

Have you got a timer for the immersion? We have oil fired heating/hot water so looking to use the immersion heater as much as possible!
One thing to remember is that with the current heating oil price at 56p / litre it is actually cheaper to heat your hot water using your boiler than using the immersion heater. 1 litre of oil is the equivalent of 10kw of electricity, (roughly speaking). So with IOG, during offpeak, at 7p it is cheaper to run the boiler for a short period than having to run the immersion heater, I have a Solar iBoost+ that runs my immersion heater so it tops up the hot water during the day when there is excess solar over the amount that I am allowed to export by my DNO. (4kw even though we have an 8kw solar system)

Regards, Chris.
 
And so it would be, if I could get oil at 56p/litre. Chance would be a fine thing.

I'm interested to hear about your water heater taking solar excess above what you're allowed to export. I have a 5 kw export allowance with a system capable of generating 8 kw at noon on a good day. As far as I know, though, heating the water uses solar from the export allowance.
 
And so it would be, if I could get oil at 56p/litre. Chance would be a fine thing.

I'm interested to hear about your water heater taking solar excess above what you're allowed to export. I have a 5 kw export allowance with a system capable of generating 8 kw at noon on a good day. As far as I know, though, heating the water uses solar from the export allowance.
There is a setting on the solar boost that allows you to set the start kW. It only kicks in when the export level is at peak of 4kw. Then extra goes to the immersion heater. It has a CT clamp on the main tails like the inverter has.
 
The key to all of this is the differential between Octopus Intelligent Go and SEG payments from Octopus, (or any other provider). 7p inbound against 15p export with Octopus. You need to ensure that you export all of your Solar at 15p and have enough battery capacity to store electricity at 7p. Overnight you have to charge the EV and topup the batteries as well as heating your hot water with the immersion heater during to Off Peak time slot, which is very generous 11.30 - 5.30 all at 7p. During the day, and up to the 11.30 off peak period, the batteries will cover your background usage, fridge, computers, etc. All of your Solar is then exported at 15p. The Intelligent Octopus with the Ohme charger can sometimes charge outside of the Peak period but is always just costing you the 7p rate regardless of the time. The secret is having enough battery storage to cover your daytime usage and to ensure that you don't use any peak kW.

Winding this back to the beginning, this is now relevant to my interests and I wish to learn more.

When my system was installed in May I had no export tariff, so the priority was using as much of the solar as possible and minimising grid imports at any time. The way the system was set up this worked pretty well, with most weeks being less than 20p in grid import, mostly transient chatter among the components of the system. The battery would support the house overnight, then the solar would take over at sunrise. When excess started to appear the first priority was recharging the battery, then heating the water with the Eddi, then after that I would usually grab everything for the car unless it was already full. If I used more electricity above the house base load, this would come first from the solar excess, then from the battery. If the battery contributed at any time, it would recharge on the solar before anything else got a look in. The result was that the battery was always at 100% at dusk, and ran the house from then until sunrise, when it began to recharge on the solar, rinse and repeat.

This was all fine other than the fact that with the best will in the world, and despite the poor summer for solar, and running the car exclusively on solar all that time, I still chucked an insane amount back into the grid for no payback.

Now I have the export tariff I'm having to learn how to turn it all round and try to live as much as possible on the 7p overnight tariff so that I can export as much of the solar as possible. I don't think I'm doing it right. I can see the above method is the way to go, but I'm not there yet.

I set the battery to charge 11.30 to 5.30, fine, but that means at this time of year that the battery never gets below about 95% because it is charging on both the off-peak electricity at night and the solar during the day. It only has to support the house for about an hour in the early morning and about three hours in the evening. I got round that by exporting what was left in the battery at 11.30 then recharging it from 2am, but there seems to be some dispute as to how permissible this is?

What I really want to do is what Chris is doing. I have a 9.5 kwh battery and as far as I can see that's enough to support the house from 5.30 to 11.30, at least most days (I don't have experience with winter consumption yet). But I don't know how to stop the battery, then the Eddi, then the Zappi, from grabbing the excess solar. I can turn the Eddi off when I wake up and turn it on again in the evening, but that's a question of remembering. Every bloody day. I can leave the car unplugged until after dusk, but that means going back out again in the evening to plug it in, which is a bit of a pain.

But even if I do all that, I don't know how to stop the battery recharging on the solar. I don't know how to stop the house using the solar first for any load it needs. And even if the load is such that it does use some of the battery, the battery obligingly recharges off the solar as soon as the load has ended!

I have a standard GivEnergy setup with a 9.5 kwh battery and a 5 kw inverter. The water heater is a MyEnergi Eddi and the car charger is a Zappi. What am I missing here, please?
 
But even if I do all that, I don't know how to stop the battery recharging on the solar. I don't know how to stop the house using the solar first for any load it needs. And even if the load is such that it does use some of the battery, the battery obligingly recharges off the solar as soon as the load has ended!

I have a standard GivEnergy setup with a 9.5 kwh battery and a 5 kw inverter. The water heater is a MyEnergi Eddi and the car charger is a Zappi. What am I missing here, please?
In terms of the battery covering the house during the day, I don't see how that is a problem if it was filled up overnight. There won't be much spare capacity in there if it was already full. Could you set the max and min to like 30% and 60% or something if you really want to minimize the use of your battery?

Solar diversion to water/car
Can't you get the Zappi and Eddi to run on schedule only, not solar? If not that is a bit disappointing.

I know that solar diversion is their original USP, but they should support other modes of operation.
 
And so it would be, if I could get oil at 56p/litre. Chance would be a fine thing.

I'm interested to hear about your water heater taking solar excess above what you're allowed to export. I have a 5 kw export allowance with a system capable of generating 8 kw at noon on a good day. As far as I know, though, heating the water uses solar from the export allowance.
did you check your local oil club? - I got it down to 51.08p the other day (North Cumbria)
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Also for myself Octopus Intelligent Go is 1/2 price overnight (26-27th Aug), i.e. 3.5p/kWh


As for solar excess it depends on how your installer has set up your system. I have a DC coupled system, which I prefer, but normally you make your panels slightly more than your inverter. 5kw limit is usually after all other loads = a lot to be exporting, personally I wouldn't worry to much about the 5-8kw range as its only verly short periods of the year (£10-£20 worth of electricity) - if you really wanted to game the system - export everything at around 15p / unit, and charge the car at night at 7p / unit - thats the most optimum with no intervention.

... and if you have batteries, then even better. I spoke to Nigel at EV puzzle, he sets his grid point to -1250w (I have a similar system, albeit less solar) over the summer, and should be net zero this year.
 
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In terms of the battery covering the house during the day, I don't see how that is a problem if it was filled up overnight. There won't be much spare capacity in there if it was already full. Could you set the max and min to like 30% and 60% or something if you really want to minimize the use of your battery?

Solar diversion to water/car
Can't you get the Zappi and Eddi to run on schedule only, not solar? If not that is a bit disappointing.

I know that solar diversion is their original USP, but they should support other modes of operation.

The issue is not the battery covering the house during the day, the issue is the battery NOT covering the house during the day but rather leaving it to the solar to do that. Then recharging itself from the solar as soon as it can, if it should happen that there is some call on the battery over and above the available solar. Thus solar that I'd like to export is being used by the house instead.

Far from wanting to minimise the use of my battery, I WANT to use it. But it invariably defers to the solar whenever there is any. My only recourse as far as I can see is to discharge the battery at 11.30pm (when the mains takes over the house load at 7p/kwh) and charge it again from 2 am ready for the next day.

I have not been able to find a way to get either the Zappi or the Eddi to run on schedule only without using solar. There was some discussion about this in my own thread though, which I should look at again in more detail. It does seem unnecessarily limiting.

I am hoping that Chris (the OP) might come by and explain how he's doing what he's doing.
 
did you check your local oil club? - I got it down to 51.08p the other day (North Cumbria)
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Also for myself Octopus Intelligent Go is 1/2 price overnight (26-27th Aug), i.e. 3.5p/kWh

I will check the local oil club, but I have great difficulty in believing it will be significantly less than what I'm paying to CPL. Otherwise why is anyone using CPL at all (other than people like me who haven't checked the comparison).

I'm charging the car on that 3.5p/kwh price as we speak, although it's car charging only, not house load.
 
I'm charging the car on that 3.5p/kwh price as we speak, although it's car charging only, not house load.

Same here, but I doubt that their system is that sophisticated to isolate each individual contribution, that said I've told the house battery to fully charge 11:30-05-30 incase its at 3.5p, and I should probably do a battery cycle to 100%
 
It's all a bit complicated for me at this stage. I have prevented the car from taking power from the house battery for the moment, though that may have been an unnecessary move. It means that the house itself is being powered from the mains, but I'm hoping that this will be at 7p. It's only drawing a base load of 200-300 watts anyway.

But thinking about it, the car is going to get what's in the house battery anyway, unless I don't let it discharge at all, so it might as well have it now. It will mean the house battery will be empty before 11.30, but I'm not planning anything but base load this evening in any case, and hopefully it will be at 7p/unit rather than 23p. The battery is set to recharge fully from 2 am and gets there by 5 am, as routine.

I see what you mean about the system probably not being sophisticated enough to isolate everything. It will probably end up being a bit of a fudge, but even if I've not been as clever as I might have been, it's pennies either way. My best guess is that as I have asked for 100% of a battery they know to be 51 kwh, they will credit me with 51 kwh at 3.5p. But who knows? If they're doing it all from the meter how can they possibly disaggregate it?
 
The issue is not the battery covering the house during the day, the issue is the battery NOT covering the house during the day but rather leaving it to the solar to do that. Then recharging itself from the solar as soon as it can, if it should happen that there is some call on the battery over and above the available solar. Thus solar that I'd like to export is being used by the house instead.
They good news is that you appear to be on a winter setting, so you can try things out over the winter. Most folk have a summer & winter setting - in our case its a simple hardware fix (of moving a CT clamp from one mains in wire to another ) - but I'm sure we can all help each other out to help optimise ones system (y)
 

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The setting was certainly right for the way I was placed at the start, with any export being a complete waste. At that point I wanted to use every bloody sunbeam I could. But the installer didn't say anything about changing it once the export tariff came through.

I could envisage using what you would call a summer setting all year, if the 9.5 kwh battery was capable of covering the entire house load even in winter, and exporting whatever meagre solar was there. It seems I'm not going to get the chance though, as things stand.

I'm still struggling with the CT clamp thing, but if you could explain maybe I would be able to follow you.
 
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