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GranTurismoEra
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Yep at starting point ICE vs EV sure. Breaking even takes a long time. Can't argue that. If you can avoid the pricier chargers and have a charger at home then it's okay. Energy costs are always changing. There are lots of Uber drivers with no chargers at home here in sunny London. I guess they make it work. Although supercharger every day isnt healthy. ?
Sure, but if you compare apples to apples ... e.g. I did the sums on a Tweet comparing a new ICE Corsa v EV Corsa, total cost of ownership over 10 years and the EV was cheaper. Sorry I no longer have the sums, gave up on Twitter a long time ago.
Of course it's not just about cost for a lot of us on here ...
Social media will take all your time, especially when it turns to ICE vs EV as well as media articles jumping the gun lol
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Lots of people saying that lots of DC charging isn't nearly as bad for the battery as had been thought, so I guess they'll probably be fine.
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Yes, the scientists designing the battery chemistries were surprised when tests showed that rather than being detrimental to the battery's health, Rapid charging seemed to improve it. There are probably some caveats to the findings, but it is encouraging.
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Do you have a reference for this?
Gadget Geek
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Interestingly, looking at the graphs (Model 3 here and Model Y here), Model 3 vehicles and especially Model Y vehicles that rarely Supercharged had lost more battery capacity, or range, over the same period of time as Model 3 vehicles and Model Y vehicles that frequently Supercharged. However, remember that the difference isn’t statistically significant, so don’t read into that. I’m just highlighting this surprising result to emphasize that the opposite should not be a concern.
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Tesla Supercharging Not Harmful To Batteries After All! - CleanTechnica
Sign up for daily news updates from CleanTechnica on email. Or follow us on Google News! For many years now, it has been advised to not fast charge electric vehicles too much, that doing so could lead to rapid degradation of your EV’s battery. It’s always been unclear how much ... [continued]
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ayres
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As a counter to this. I am a reasonably high mileage driver 20000 a year. My increase in electricity and my loan repayment costs less than my old fuel bill (previous Kia ceed 1.6 diesel estate vs mg ev5) and in 2 yrs I’ll own the ev5 so gets a much better deal then. Plus insurance, tax, service all cheaper on mg.
It’s a no brainer
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A study conducted by the Idaho National Laboratory (INL) concluded that while an electric car’s battery will deteriorate faster if its only power source is Level 3 charging (which is almost never the case) the difference isn’t particularly pronounced.
Is DC Fast Charging Bad For Your Electric Car? | MYEV.com
DC fast charging isn't as bad for your electric car as you might thinkwww.myev.com
Interestingly, looking at the graphs (Model 3 here and Model Y here), Model 3 vehicles and especially Model Y vehicles that rarely Supercharged had lost more battery capacity, or range, over the same period of time as Model 3 vehicles and Model Y vehicles that frequently Supercharged. However, remember that the difference isn’t statistically significant, so don’t read into that. I’m just highlighting this surprising result to emphasize that the opposite should not be a concern.
Tesla Supercharging Not Harmful To Batteries After All! - CleanTechnica
Sign up for daily news updates from CleanTechnica on email. Or follow us on Google News! For many years now, it has been advised to not fast charge electric vehicles too much, that doing so could lead to rapid degradation of your EV’s battery. It’s always been unclear how much ... [continued]
That article is over four years old and the test was done on a couple of 2021 Leafs, for goodness sake. Both of them lost 25% battery capacity! And the conclusion was simply that DC charging isn't so bad, not that it's better.
Gadget Geek
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Yes, I know. There was a news article I read recently about researchers being surprised by the results, but I can't find it.
Also, LEAFs are notorious for poor battery management systems, however, there was only a 2% difference between level 2 and level 3 charging over time.
The second article looked at 12,500 Tesla Model 3s and Model Ys and found the same surprising results I'd read about.
Edit: For clarity, I have removed the 4 year old study on the Nissan LEAFs.
Also, LEAFs are notorious for poor battery management systems, however, there was only a 2% difference between level 2 and level 3 charging over time.
The second article looked at 12,500 Tesla Model 3s and Model Ys and found the same surprising results I'd read about.
Edit: For clarity, I have removed the 4 year old study on the Nissan LEAFs.
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I've heard the same from several recent sources, I just thought that study wasn't an especially good example. What I'm really querying is
I'm hearing that rapid charging isn't nearly as detrimental as had been thought, but not that it's actually beneficial.
I'm hearing that rapid charging isn't nearly as detrimental as had been thought, but not that it's actually beneficial.
gnutrino
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Depends, are you willing to go with a used car? There are some very nice deals on used EVs right now. Or wait for the Citroen ec3 to come out for (supposedly) ~£23k.
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Dacia Spring out in the autumn, approx, 16 grand. Cheap no nonsense EV. Looks pretty good. ??
you beat me to it)
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Price is a winner for me. 137 miles range?... not so much
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Agreed certainly no good for some. But if your just a potterer around town, it's prefect. ??
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Some very good deals on used etrons, ipace etc on pcp from the dealers.
OP's diesel costs would pay the monthly pcp.
Not sure I'd have an ipace without a jlr warranty, but tempting.
etron has terrible range, jag is ok
tesla m3 getting cheap as well.
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For a second car, it could be perfect. I have friends who are very eco-aware and bought a Leaf in late 2020. Recently they got rid of the husband's petrol Audi - I think they actually scrapped the car rather than selling it, to prevent it continuing a career of pollution. They had basically just been using the Leaf, although it was nominally the wife's car, because it was such a joy to drive.
Except, I'm now detecting a "whose car is it anyway?" and "whose turn is it to have the car?" situation developing. I wouldn't die of shock if a Dacia Spring appeared to take the Audi's place on the driveway. They're not both going to need a long-range car at once, if they go on a long trip they'll both be in the same car. They just need a small runabout for the other to use if one has the Leaf out.
Except, I'm now detecting a "whose car is it anyway?" and "whose turn is it to have the car?" situation developing. I wouldn't die of shock if a Dacia Spring appeared to take the Audi's place on the driveway. They're not both going to need a long-range car at once, if they go on a long trip they'll both be in the same car. They just need a small runabout for the other to use if one has the Leaf out.
Drop Bear
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It’ll be the use cases surrounding the charging type. If you’re frequent DC fast charging you’re likely doing longer trips and only charging to 80% and not stressing the high end battery capacity. If you’re frequent home charging you’re likely topping up and staying in that high 80% to 100% range far more often, stressing the battery.Interestingly, looking at the graphs (Model 3 here and Model Y here), Model 3 vehicles and especially Model Y vehicles that rarely Supercharged had lost more battery capacity, or range, over the same period of time as Model 3 vehicles and Model Y vehicles that frequently Supercharged. However, remember that the difference isn’t statistically significant, so don’t read into that. I’m just highlighting this surprising result to emphasize that the opposite should not be a concern.
Tesla Supercharging Not Harmful To Batteries After All! - CleanTechnica
Sign up for daily news updates from CleanTechnica on email. Or follow us on Google News! For many years now, it has been advised to not fast charge electric vehicles too much, that doing so could lead to rapid degradation of your EV’s battery. It’s always been unclear how much ... [continued]
Fiver
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If you have an EV with V2G capability, Octopus are offering a rate that allows free charging of your car.
Not really sure if any cars, other than those with Chademo, support V2G. Would need Octopus to provide a “charger” that also supports it.
Not really sure if any cars, other than those with Chademo, support V2G. Would need Octopus to provide a “charger” that also supports it.
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I was mightily impressed with Edoc’s ipace - really nice.
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