EV opposition in the media is ramping up

[m4rmite]

I agree with @Shrink Proof.
When a government is starting to really consider their chances for reelection, if the signs of sucess are weak, they then intend to leave behind the largest pile of sh*te for any new incoming party to deal with !.

The problem is it gives labour 8 years of tory blaming if they get in, without actually delivering any of their policies.

 

[Lovemyev]

Thats nothing new !.
Do any of them EVER deliver on they pre - election promises ?.
That will be a NO then .

 

[johnb80]

I can not believe what the prime minister has done yesterday it almost as if he had heard that the stop burning stuff crew, where holding a meeting in the queens hall across from Westminster and decided, I will shut them up before they cause any more trouble for the oil and gas producers ( Did anyone here attend that meeting ?) if so what went on please tell.
Some of the UKs biggest employers have spent millions to gear up for the big changes to come from 2030 and yesterday he kicked them in the teeth good and proper Ford and Vauxhall could create thousands of job losses if they decide enough is enough and pull out of the UK, and they might has he given any thought to that I don’t think he has.
This is a very bad move by the powers that be and it will cost them everything in my opinion.
Les

But have you seen the rules still in place for the manufacturers, this hasnt changed.

From now until 2030 22% of their car sales in the UK MUST be zero emission i.e. EV's. 2030 onwards 80% of them must be zero emission / EV's. Exports dont count in the figures, theyre vehicles sold in the UK. It's suggested that they will have to substantially discount EV's to make them more attractive.

 

[Ian Key]

Unlike MPs who can change their mind hour by hour, car manufacturers have to plan years ahead. I think you'll find that new ICE cars won't be available from the major manufacturers after 2030 as they have already planned production and factory upgrades and the end of production of their ICE models with their parts suppliers.

 

[Ruislip Resident]

The new target of The Daily Fail is the ZEV mandate. There is an article today on it today. The dieselsaurs in the comments in the DM are absolutely furious it's still (currently) going ahead.

 

[Gadget Geek]

Actually, OPEC might be shooting themselves in the foot by limiting output to raise the price per barrel, because people who hadn't thought about EV's are going to start looking at them to save costs on fuel.

 

[tsedge]

We're going to get 10% tariffs on EVs produced in the EU from January unless something changes (and on our exports). Will make Chinese EVs even better priced vs European alternatives.

 

[Tommy]

Actually, OPEC might be shooting themselves in the foot by limiting output to raise the price per barrel, because people who hadn't thought about EV's are going to start looking at them to save costs on fuel.

Yes, especially if the price of electricity continues to fall again to pre-crisis levels

 

[Rolfe]

I've just come back from Greece and the price of petrol was around 2.10 euros per litre. Diesel similar. So ICE drivers here don't know they're born.

 

[Les burrows]

Here’s Daves take on it and he’s dead right
Les

 

[Rolfe]

Yes, especially if the price of electricity continues to fall again to pre-crisis levels

The thing that concerns me is how much of the cost of petrol is made up of fuel tax and VAT. If it weren't for that, the stuff would be ridiculously cheap. Electricity isn't being subjected to any fuel tax, and VAT is lower on electricity used to charge cars at home. If we look at a level playing field, that is excluding any taxes, it's a very different story. If electricity for powering cars was taxed at the same rate as petrol for powering cars, electricity would be the unaffordable one.

And with the rise in EV ownership, there will come a point at which the government will feel the pinch of lost revenues. And then will they be coming for us?

 

[Gadget Geek]

The thing that concerns me is how much of the cost of petrol is made up of fuel tax and VAT. If it weren't for that, the stuff would be ridiculously cheap. Electricity isn't being subjected to any fuel tax, and VAT is lower on electricity used to charge cars at home. If we look at a level playing field, that is excluding any taxes, it's a very different story. If electricity for powering cars was taxed at the same rate as petrol for powering cars, electricity would be the unaffordable one.

And with the rise in EV ownership, there will come a point at which the government will feel the pinch of lost revenues. And then will they be coming for us?

It's starting the year after next with the road tax, and then I should imagine there will be a usage tax based on the recorded mileage at the MOT test. They'll get their pound of flesh.

 

[Tommy]

And then we say … NO MORE … ?

The thing that concerns me is how much of the cost of petrol is made up of fuel tax and VAT. If it weren't for that, the stuff would be ridiculously cheap. Electricity isn't being subjected to any fuel tax, and VAT is lower on electricity used to charge cars at home. If we look at a level playing field, that is excluding any taxes, it's a very different story. If electricity for powering cars was taxed at the same rate as petrol for powering cars, electricity would be the unaffordable one.

And with the rise in EV ownership, there will come a point at which the government will feel the pinch of lost revenues. And then will they be coming for us?

Isn’t the price of electricity artificially high though because green energy generation - which we are getting better at - is tied to fossil fuel generation prices? ?

 

[Rolfe]

And then we say … NO MORE … ?

How? I'm open to suggestions.

Isn’t the price of electricity artificially high though because green energy generation - which we are getting better at - is tied to fossil fuel generation prices? ?

I don't really know. I was hoping better informed people in the thread might enlighten me.

 

[siteguru]

How? I'm open to suggestions.

We become French in our attitudes rather than British.

 

[Tommy]

I don't really know. I was hoping better informed people in the thread might enlighten me.

I believe it goes like this, that we should have cheaper electricity from renewable sources but that energy is traded on the market at the same price as the much more expensive dirty energy ?

 

[siteguru]

Yes - the marginal price of electricity is based on the cost of the most expensive provider (source), which in the UK is Gas. This means that Gas generators still make a profit, and lower cost generators make obscene profits!

 

[Tommy]

Yes - the marginal price of electricity is based on the cost of the most expensive provider (source), which in the UK is Gas. This means that Gas generators still make a profit, and lower cost generators make obscene profits!

That’s like saying we all have to pay the price of a can of beans from Harrods whether the can comes from Harrods or Lidl … madness ? … the consumer massively pays over the odds ?

 

[Les burrows]

The thing that concerns me is how much of the cost of petrol is made up of fuel tax and VAT. If it weren't for that, the stuff would be ridiculously cheap. Electricity isn't being subjected to any fuel tax, and VAT is lower on electricity used to charge cars at home. If we look at a level playing field, that is excluding any taxes, it's a very different story. If electricity for powering cars was taxed at the same rate as petrol for powering cars, electricity would be the unaffordable one.

And with the rise in EV ownership, there will come a point at which the government will feel the pinch of lost revenues. And then will they be coming for us?

Can you please keep that information under wraps there are people in far higher places looking for ideas with what they might do next so let’s no give them any, has as been point out earlier road tax is coming soon plus a mileage check could also come and one very important thing we have to remember is we where strongly encouraged to go along this track of electric vehicles to try and save the planet so called but the powers that be appear to have given up on the idea.
What was announced the other day was a kick in the teeth for everyone concerned with EVs and it will cost dearly all concerned as well.
Les

 

[Tommy]

How? I'm open to suggestions.

“Apes together strong” ?