EV opposition in the media is ramping up

[maskull]

Concrete production is bad, around 8% of carbon release comes from the production of concrete. Mostly because of the heat used to break the ingredients of the cement down. It will improve but lots of other nasties are released and not sure how much they can be captured. There are alternatives to cement but are way more expensive.

No idea about relaying the roads, every vehicle going over them will incrementally damage the running course and the bearing course the heavier the vehicle the more the damage. The new super heavy trucks are causing problems already then subsequent vehicles will enlrage the damage. It is mostly that people like SUVs like the ZS rather than nice little estates like the MG5!

I think the EV community should watch out for being holy than though and ignoring the damage that the heavier batteries cause, less than trucks but more than similarly sized ICEs, It'll only give them ammunition. The ideal option would be EVs with short range batteries that could be easily added too for longer journeys. 95% of my journeys are less than 15 miles. Its a shame that's not really possible.

The kerb weight of my MG5 is 1562 Kg . Range Rovers ( which seem to be breeding like rabbits in my locale) kerb weight varies between 1787 Kg and 2810Kg. I'm not feeling guilty

 

[DBedford]

If this is the story I'm thinking of, they didn't have house insurance.
Who can afford an ebike but not house insurance?

Those who buy cigarettes and lotto cards each day, but can’t pay the rent.

 

[Lovemyev]

Concrete production is bad, around 8% of carbon release comes from the production of concrete. Mostly because of the heat used to break the ingredients of the cement down. It will improve but lots of other nasties are released and not sure how much they can be captured.

On this good point, strangely only today it has been released that a large cement production plant in Flintshire ( N.Wales ) is planing to build a plant that is able capture some of the nasties and it would see the company pump CO2 pumped and lock it into deep depleted gas fields under the sea bed in Liverpool Bay using a huge network of pipes.
The emissions from this plant have come under fire from the surrounding local community for many many years.
Yet after study after study, it returned a conclusion that the emissions from the plant had no adverse affect on the local community.
Strangely, that they have now decided to pump these nasties away from the site ????.
Here is the story covered in detail by BBC News today, for anybody who is interested in the details.

Climate change: Flintshire cement work's carbon capture plan

Cement giant Hanson claims it could play a huge role in helping the UK reach net zero targets.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Les burrows]

Hi Jeff good information above along the same lines is what Bobbylew reported yesterday in his video in this thread #287
Around 17:50 into it.
Les

 

[m4rmite]

So the media are anti ev, I wonder why as it is not like the government would be on the side of FF companies

First we hear rishis wife's family business signed a £1b deal with shell the day before he allows 100 drilling licences in the North Sea.
Now,
A former environment secretary has revealed she failed to declare tens of thousands of pounds of shares she held in oil giant Shell while in the role.
Tory MP Theresa Villiers said she had held a stake in the firm worth over £70,000 since February 2018.

There is a labour mp who's trying to push through a bill? That will make all mps have to declare if they have any donations coming from oil and gas companies.
I doubt he will get far with that

 

[Tweed98]

The kerb weight of my MG5 is 1562 Kg . Range Rovers ( which seem to be breeding like rabbits in my locale) kerb weight varies between 1787 Kg and 2810Kg. I'm not feeling guilty

Nor should you driving a lovely little motor like the 5! You could feel even better if you were driving a tiny little 4, but then you couldn't get s0d all in it!

 

[Gomev]

Hi Jeff good information above along the same lines is what Bobbylew reported yesterday in his video in this thread #287
Around 18:50 into it.
Les

Was thinking the same thing, although to put it into context might be worth starting at 17:55 minutes in, and to save searching back the link is here

 

[Gomev]

So the media are anti ev, I wonder why as it is not like the government would be on the side of FF companies

First we hear rishis wife's family business signed a £1b deal with shell the day before he allows 100 drilling licences in the North Sea.
Now,
A former environment secretary has revealed she failed to declare tens of thousands of pounds of shares she held in oil giant Shell while in the role.
Tory MP Theresa Villiers said she had held a stake in the firm worth over £70,000 since February 2018.

There is a labour mp who's trying to push through a bill? That will make all mps have to declare if they have any donations coming from oil and gas companies.
I doubt he will get far with that

Whilst I love listening to Bobby Llewelyn on Fully Charged he too can exaggerate a little at times. In fairness to Rishi Sunak's wife, she owns just 0.91% of her fathers Indian company, that has made the deal, so probably cannot be held too responsible for it.
Mind you I wouldn't mind having that amount, just for the money of course as I'm a greedy capitalist.

 

[Lovemyev]

Even owning what appears on paper to be a small stake in her fathers company, that still makes her in on the deal, but try’s to distance herself away from it as much as possible as the PM’s wife, changes nothing in my mind.
She still happy to take the benefits from the deal and add it to the multimillions she already has OBTW.
Lining their own pockets in some way or another.
Truss was in the job for about 40 ish days and is able to claim her full huge pension as an X PM.
It’s all about the money - honey ?.

 

[Les burrows]

Was thinking the same thing, although to put it into context might be worth starting at 17:55 minutes in, and to save searching back the link is here

OK I have edited my slip of the finger on my phone.and why we need the same video in the same thread twice is beyond me.
Les

Whilst I love listening to Bobby Llewelyn on Fully Charged he too can exaggerate a little at times. In fairness to Rishi Sunak's wife, she owns just 0.91% of her fathers Indian company, that has made the deal, so probably cannot be held too responsible for it.
Mind you I wouldn't mind having that amount, just for the money of course as I'm a greedy capitalist.

Time she educated her father I think.
Les

 

[Gadget Geek]

When you think about it, anyone who holds shares in a fossil fuel company is responsible by association for the destruction of the planet.

A couple of years ago I changed my bank from First Direct, which is a subsidiary of HSBC, a big investor in fossil fuel, to Co-Op Bank who for years have pioneered ethical banking. I also moved my savings to the Ecology Building Society.

Check out this list if you want to make a difference.

Banks & Building Societies‍‍‍: Ethical Comparison - The Good Shopping Guide

The Good Shopping Guide's research into ethical banks and building societies, more information about how we rate and access our ratings comparison tables.

thegoodshoppingguide.com

As Lovemyev said, it's all about the money. If customers start leaving banks funding fossil fuels, they'll soon get the message.

 

[Gomev]

OK I have edited my slip of the finger on my phone.and why we need the same video in the same thread twice is beyond me.
Les

I had assumed you went directing straight to the cement part, without bothering with the intro, which is fine, I only added an alternative time for the intro.
Convenience. Someone may be more likely to watch it if they don't have to go looking for it even if told where to find it.
Didn't realise agreeing was so hard.

When you think about it, anyone who holds shares in a fossil fuel company is responsible by association for the destruction of the planet.

A couple of years ago I changed my bank from First Direct, which is a subsidiary of HSBC, a big investor in fossil fuel, to Co-Op Bank who for years have pioneered ethical banking. I also moved my savings to the Ecology Building Society.

Check out this list if you want to make a difference.

Banks & Building Societies‍‍‍: Ethical Comparison - The Good Shopping Guide

The Good Shopping Guide's research into ethical banks and building societies, more information about how we rate and access our ratings comparison tables.

thegoodshoppingguide.com

As Lovemyev said, it's all about the money. If customers start leaving banks funding fossil fuels, they'll soon get the message.

Good idea for the peace of mind of the individual but will it really make a difference, I think the pension funds might make more of an impact.

 

[Harry 17]

When you think about it, anyone who holds shares in a fossil fuel company is responsible by association for the destruction of the planet.

A couple of years ago I changed my bank from First Direct, which is a subsidiary of HSBC, a big investor in fossil fuel, to Co-Op Bank who for years have pioneered ethical banking. I also moved my savings to the Ecology Building Society.

Check out this list if you want to make a difference.

Banks & Building Societies‍‍‍: Ethical Comparison - The Good Shopping Guide

The Good Shopping Guide's research into ethical banks and building societies, more information about how we rate and access our ratings comparison tables.

thegoodshoppingguide.com

As Lovemyev said, it's all about the money. If customers start leaving banks funding fossil fuels, they'll soon get the message.

Agree.

on from that, I suspect the majority of people who draw or pay into a pension scheme are indirect shareholders.

 

[tsedge]

I think boycotting banks (or other institutions) that invest in fossil fuels will be counterproductive. We will be heavily dependent on fossil fuels for decades (minimum) and still dependent well beyond that for non-transportation usages (for some things there are currently no alternatives).

If we make it uneconomic to invest here, we will simply be importing even more of stuff from countries with lax environmental rules and dodgy regimes.

We have seen where that leads us: insecure supply and wild price swings that harm the poorest, uncomfortably embracing regimes with poor human rights because they have natural resources. We don't want even more of that.

By all means let's invest in alternative energy sources and storage but we need to be realistic about our fossil fuel dependence in the meantime. If we are not, we'll have a false sense of virtue: pretending to be green while simply exporting our emissions around the world, like we have been by getting rid of our heavy industries.

No simple solutions here, let's not pretend there are.

Just for anyone who isn't up to speed, here are recent UK government stats, showing that renewables in 2022 provided only 14% of UK energy needs (most energy usage isn't electricity consumption) and the growth rate of renewables is around 1% a year.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1174186/DUKES_2023_Chapter_6.pdf

 

[m4rmite]

Whilst I love listening to Bobby Llewelyn on Fully Charged he too can exaggerate a little at times. In fairness to Rishi Sunak's wife, she owns just 0.91% of her fathers Indian company, that has made the deal, so probably cannot be held too responsible for it.
Mind you I wouldn't mind having that amount, just for the money of course as I'm a greedy capitalist.

That 0.91% = £490m As of 2022

 

[Gadget Geek]

That 0.91% = £490m As of 2022

And therein lies the problem. The big oil companies and their investors are not going to willingly give up that kind of money.

 

[Gadget Geek]

And therein lies the problem. The big oil companies and their investors are not going to willingly give up that kind of money.

I have this vision in my head which runs like a disaster movie, where the bad guy clutches the suitcace of money to his chest as he is surrounded by burning forest, and another bad guy being dragged down into flood waters by the breifcase full of money handcuffed to his wrist.

Edit in post prodution: The Art Director adds the Shell logo to the suitcase and the BP logo to the breifcase.

 

[Ian Key]

You've been on the zider again ?

 

[Grriff]

from politico.com

 

[Rolfe]

The latest is that Police Scotland spent a small fortune on EVs to use as police cars, and now they can't use them. It's in the Scotsman behind a paywall, but not being able to read the article hasn't stopped people going mad about the crazy waste of money, and how EVs would be useless as police cars, and how cops can't wait around while a car charges and so on.

Actually the cars aren't being used right now because the chargers haven't yet been installed in the police stations. Apparently they're installing ultra-rapids as well as slower chargers (might be type 2 rather than wall boxes) so it sounds as if someone has actually worked out the logistics pretty well.