EV plonker hogging ICE stations

[Rolfe]

I was pretty damn sure that if you knocked over your can, the pump wouldn't go on spewing five litres of fuel over the concrete of the forecourt.

I'm trying to remember the capacity of my first motorbike's tank. Not a lot, but it was probably at least five litres.

 

[GaryMG4]

Never noticed.


They can't always see who is at the pump or what sort of container they have, though.

I've had the 'pump no 7 can I see your container?' message over the tannoy on a couple of occasions.

 

[Kithmo]

I was pretty damn sure that if you knocked over your can, the pump wouldn't go on spewing five litres of fuel over the concrete of the forecourt.

It will if you've locked the handle on.

 

[Rolfe]

It will if you've locked the handle on.

Well that's just stupid.

 

[Rolfe]

I've had the 'pump no 7 can I see your container?' message over the tannoy on a couple of occasions.

Never experienced that.

 

[GaryMG4]

Never experienced that.

only happened recently at Sainsbury's, maybe a trainee trying to impress?

 

[Rolfe]

Could be.

 

[GaryMG4]

Could be.

I usually fill 2x 5 litre cans at a time, one for the Toyota the other for the mower/topper/strimmer.

 

[mg4mc]

only happened recently at Sainsbury's, maybe a trainee trying to impress?

They are probably checking you are using an approved container, not like I heard during the last fuel shortage where someone filled up plastic bags in their boot!

 

[Rolfe]

Like there's ever going to be a fuel shortage for EVs...

Someone asked during an argument, "What are you going to do if we have more rolling blackouts like there were in the 1970s, then?" I said, "Fill my car battery while the power is on, then run the house from the battery while it's off. What are you going to do?" Crickets. Tumbleweed.

Someone else remarked that if the electricity went off they wouldn't be able to fill their ICE car either, as the pumps are electrically powered.

This is something that intrigues me. There is a conspiracy theory around that EVs are part of a dastardly plot to control the population and prevent people from moving around. I've heard that they can suck charge out of your battery back into the grid at will. I've heard that you can only use an app to charge your car so they'll know where everyone is at any time. And a lot more nonsense.

The thing is, they can tell where we are at any time already, they don't need EVs to do it. The serial killer Robert Black was traced through petrol receipts in the 1980s. The people who shout loudest about this have mobile phones in their pockets and are paying with Apple Pay. Payment for any large item with cash is unusual, and that includes fuel sales. EVs don't seem to me to offer any additional opportunities there.

In fact, EVs seem to offer more freedom, if that's your mindset. If you use your home electricity you can go months without appearing on any database as having bought fuel. (Indeed, if you can charge at friends' houses, you could go anywhere undetected.) If "they" want to stop the population moving, it would be a lot easier to choke off petrol and diesel supplies than cut everybody's electricity off. If they did the latter, we'd all have more problems than fuelling our cars.

If push really comes to shove, breakdown of supply chains, total chaos and so on, ICE vehicles are going to be so much scrap. Plenty post-apocalypse films showing that. On the other hand, domestic solar and wind installations could keep EVs going for a pretty long time.

Sorry, this is a bit of a derail, it just occurred to me. Conspiracy theorists aren't very logical.

 

[CarlThom]

Us EV drivers complain a lot (rightly) about ICEs parking on an EV charger bay - today I saw the other side of the coin when an EV driver nonchalantly parked his car (an MG5) at a petrol pump before going to grab a coffee at Greggs. Plenty of off-pump parking bays available. What an idiot! I tried to take a photo, but that didn’t happen…

if you were this guy at Shoppenhangers in Maidenhead today, please don‘t be a d*ck in future ?

Saw the same a while ago in local supermarket petrol station. EV parked at pumps while driver was having lovely chat with a friend outside the supermarket. Plenty of ICE cars waiting but don't think they had realised it was an EV

 

[Scoobydoo]

But did you die???? ??‍

I nearly died laughing at the pettiness of it all - from ICE and EV drivers.

 

[Archev]

Like there's ever going to be a fuel shortage for EVs...

Someone asked during an argument, "What are you going to do if we have more rolling blackouts like there were in the 1970s, then?" I said, "Fill my car battery while the power is on, then run the house from the battery while it's off. What are you going to do?" Crickets. Tumbleweed.

Someone else remarked that if the electricity went off they wouldn't be able to fill their ICE car either, as the pumps are electrically powered.

This is something that intrigues me. There is a conspiracy theory around that EVs are part of a dastardly plot to control the population and prevent people from moving around. I've heard that they can suck charge out of your battery back into the grid at will. I've heard that you can only use an app to charge your car so they'll know where everyone is at any time. And a lot more nonsense.

The thing is, they can tell where we are at any time already, they don't need EVs to do it. The serial killer Robert Black was traced through petrol receipts in the 1980s. The people who shout loudest about this have mobile phones in their pockets and are paying with Apple Pay. Payment for any large item with cash is unusual, and that includes fuel sales. EVs don't seem to me to offer any additional opportunities there.

In fact, EVs seem to offer more freedom, if that's your mindset. If you use your home electricity you can go months without appearing on any database as having bought fuel. (Indeed, if you can charge at friends' houses, you could go anywhere undetected.) If "they" want to stop the population moving, it would be a lot easier to choke off petrol and diesel supplies than cut everybody's electricity off. If they did the latter, we'd all have more problems than fuelling our cars.

If push really comes to shove, breakdown of supply chains, total chaos and so on, ICE vehicles are going to be so much scrap. Plenty post-apocalypse films showing that. On the other hand, domestic solar and wind installations could keep EVs going for a pretty long time.

Sorry, this is a bit of a derail, it just occurred to me. Conspiracy theorists aren't very logical.

A lot of very thought provoking arguments included there - very interesting.

 

[m4rmite]

Like there's ever going to be a fuel shortage for EVs...

Someone asked during an argument, "What are you going to do if we have more rolling blackouts like there were in the 1970s, then?" I said, "Fill my car battery while the power is on, then run the house from the battery while it's off. What are you going to do?" Crickets. Tumbleweed.

Someone else remarked that if the electricity went off they wouldn't be able to fill their ICE car either, as the pumps are electrically powered.

This is something that intrigues me. There is a conspiracy theory around that EVs are part of a dastardly plot to control the population and prevent people from moving around. I've heard that they can suck charge out of your battery back into the grid at will. I've heard that you can only use an app to charge your car so they'll know where everyone is at any time. And a lot more nonsense.

The thing is, they can tell where we are at any time already, they don't need EVs to do it. The serial killer Robert Black was traced through petrol receipts in the 1980s. The people who shout loudest about this have mobile phones in their pockets and are paying with Apple Pay. Payment for any large item with cash is unusual, and that includes fuel sales. EVs don't seem to me to offer any additional opportunities there.

In fact, EVs seem to offer more freedom, if that's your mindset. If you use your home electricity you can go months without appearing on any database as having bought fuel. (Indeed, if you can charge at friends' houses, you could go anywhere undetected.) If "they" want to stop the population moving, it would be a lot easier to choke off petrol and diesel supplies than cut everybody's electricity off. If they did the latter, we'd all have more problems than fuelling our cars.

If push really comes to shove, breakdown of supply chains, total chaos and so on, ICE vehicles are going to be so much scrap. Plenty post-apocalypse films showing that. On the other hand, domestic solar and wind installations could keep EVs going for a pretty long time.

Sorry, this is a bit of a derail, it just occurred to me. Conspiracy theorists aren't very logical.

I got asked how long can an ev heat a car if its stuck in snow.
I said how long can an ice do the same?

The reply was it depends on how much fuel you have in the car.
I said. Bingo...

 

[Rolfe]

A lot of very thought provoking arguments included there - very interesting.

Actually, I don't think you could hide even if you didn't buy fuel. There are so many CCTV cameras (security, not surveillance) and dashcams around that your car would be seen somewhere. I was reading about a murder case back in 2010 and the guy was traced doing a long and complicated journey to dispose of the body just because his car was caught driving past some filling stations - they have cameras to catch driveaways, and they often cover the whole road - and a doorbell camera. Far far more of these around now.

I think, if you're of the conspiracy mindset, you'd have to concede that everybody can be tracked at will as things stand. Absolutely no need for electric cars to improve on it, and if anything they might make it slightly (but not much) harder.

And if I was an evil tyrant hell-bent on stopping the population travelling, I'd be a lot happier about my chances of cutting off supplies to fuel stations, than about cutting the electricity supply to the entire country! And then, it's the EV owners who mostly have the solar/home battery installations.

 

[Rolfe]

I got asked how long can an ev heat a car if its stuck in snow.
I said how long can an ice do the same?

The reply was it depends on how much fuel you have in the car.
I said. Bingo...

And since an EV will burn through electricity a lot slower than an ICE car will burn through its fuel tank if its engine is kept running to heat the car, I know who will freeze first.

 

[olliewebb]

There is a conspiracy theory around that EVs are part of a dastardly plot to control the population and prevent people from moving around. I've heard that they can suck charge out of your battery back into the grid at will. I've heard that you can only use an app to charge your car so they'll know where everyone is at any time. And a lot more nonsense.

Facebook really did a number on the already terminally stupid.

Maybe we should have an IQ test for internet use - we used to have one back in the day, when computers were harder to use, I say we go back to that level. Give me a command-line only smartphone please, I'm fine with it.

 

[Ian Key]

Dr Who gave a frightening insight into the way things are becoming in the latest episode "The Toymaker" where everyone went mad because they were all linked to the internet and thought their opinions were right and acted on it.

 

[Archev]

Dr Who gave a frightening insight into the way things are becoming in the latest episode "The Toymaker" where everyone went mad because they were all linked to the internet and thought their opinions were right and acted on it.

Oh no ?
Are the fossil burners going to look at our kind and wave plumbing plungers around screaming
“EV Terminate”

 

[YaR]

Actually, I don't think you could hide even if you didn't buy fuel. There are so many CCTV cameras (security, not surveillance) and dashcams around that your car would be seen somewhere. I was reading about a murder case back in 2010 and the guy was traced doing a long and complicated journey to dispose of the body just because his car was caught driving past some filling stations - they have cameras to catch driveaways, and they often cover the whole road - and a doorbell camera. Far far more of these around now.

Please don't follow this advice but if you want to get away with a criminal career then commit crimes short of murder or serious assault. Police are, like every other public service, under resourced and checking CCTV footage is extremely time consuming so it will only be done in exceptional cases.