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[Deleted member 7171]

Electric car prices could be about to plummet – here's why

Last year many analysts predicted the cost of electric vehicles were set to plummet in the next few years, then the government cut an EV grant and the gas crisis hit. So what next for EVs?

news.sky.com

 

[Deleted member 7316]

Yet in the Daily Express there have been a couple of article explaining why the financial benefits of owning a EV are set to disappear, road use pricing in place of yearly taxation for one.

Reduced prices for batteries have been promised for years but increased raw material prices have more than offset reduced production costs.

 

[Lguk]

I'm hoping the tax changes don't kick in until I've benefited from some of the current significant savings, my decision to early adopt, is in part funded by that gap.

I know its only a matter of time before they tax us the difference between EV and fossil fuel running costs. Just hope it's a few years.

 

[5teep]

Yet in the Daily Express there have been a couple of article explaining why the financial benefits of owning a EV are set to disappear, road use pricing in place of yearly taxation for one.

Reduced prices for batteries have been promised for years but increased raw material prices have more than offset reduced production costs.

Yeah but...Daily Express... Not exactly known for their in depth accurate reporting.

 

[5teep]

I do think prices have been held artificially high because of the grant, once it ends for good I reckon prices will start to fall.

 

[Deleted member 7171]

T3: This portable EV charger is genius and I think it will solve the major issue of EV ownership.

This portable EV charger is genius and I think it will solve the major issue of EV ownership

Compact, affordable, and connected, providing sufficient range for daily driving

www.t3.com

 

[Deleted member 7171]

The subscription of £50 a month for an "emergency charger" it's the cash cow method that just keeps on taking.

Useful to allow you to drive to another charger if you find the one you're at is u/s.

 

[Deleted member 7316]

Yeah but...Daily Express... Not exactly known for their in depth accurate reporting.

Bit like the Daily Fail then

Changing tax rates are normally declared in the preceding budget to when they come into effect at least. New taxes have to go the whole process of raising a bill, get it through parliament and agree a schedule. I think my warranty may expire before then.

 

[5teep]

Bit like the Daily Fail then

Changing tax rates are normally declared in the preceding budget to when they come into effect at least. New taxes have to go the whole process of raising a bill, get it through parliament and agree a schedule. I think my warranty may expire before then.

Like any newspaper really. They are all there to make profit, not tell the news.

 

[Gomev]

Bit like the Daily Fail then

Changing tax rates are normally declared in the preceding budget to when they come into effect at least. New taxes have to go the whole process of raising a bill, get it through parliament and agree a schedule. I think my warranty may expire before then.

Introducing new taxes yes but altering rates can be done at the drop of a hat. Remember petrol prices fuel duty rises from 6pm on the day of the budget.
Could change EVs from zero excise duty to whatever whenever they want.

 

[Lguk]

To be fair, a flat fee of VED for all vehicles would be a good start. Everyone knows where they're at. They can then look at usage based charges in lieu of fuel duty for non-fossil fuel using vehicles, but it still needs to cheaper than driving the diesel to encourage the switch to new cars from 2030, we cant have a Cuba situation and all be driving around in Chevy Bel Airs 60 years later

 

[Shrink Proof]

Yeah but...Daily Express... Not exactly known for their in depth accurate reporting.

The only thing printed in the Daily Express that isn't false is the date...

 

[Deleted member 7316]

To be fair, a flat fee of VED for all vehicles would be a good start. Everyone knows where they're at. They can then look at usage based charges in lieu of fuel duty for non-fossil fuel using vehicles, but it still needs to cheaper than driving the diesel to encourage the switch to new cars from 2030, we cant have a Cuba situation and all be driving around in Chevy Bel Airs 60 years later

Yes but they have the additional benefit of no salt on the roads, the amount dumped on them around here has been enormous. Think I need to pressure wash the underside of the car.

 

[Dave]

Yet in the Daily Express there have been a couple of article explaining why the financial benefits of owning a EV are set to disappear, road use pricing in place of yearly taxation for one.

Reduced prices for batteries have been promised for years but increased raw material prices have more than offset reduced production costs.

Daily Express !

 

[Edoc16]

Yes but they have the additional benefit of no salt on the roads, the amount dumped on them around here has been enormous. Think I need to pressure wash the underside of the car.

Just drive through a big puddle at high speed !

 

[Deleted member 7316]

Introducing new taxes yes but altering rates can be done at the drop of a hat. Remember petrol prices fuel duty rises from 6pm on the day of the budget.
Could change EVs from zero excise duty to whatever whenever they want.

And that's my point! A road usage tax based on miles driven would be a new tax. It is a suggestion made by a government body to replace lost fuel duty and to start taxing EVs without being seen to apply RFL. Something as major is always preferred as a manifesto clause and as such is not going to happen any time soon.

Of course the Greens would be caught between policies. In the 1st instance they would be in favour of something that discourages road use in general but would be against anything that undermines low carbon legislation.

 

[Deleted member 7171]

This is Money: Electric cars are less reliable than petrol and diesel, says Which?.

Which? says electric cars are the least reliable of all

The consumer champion's annual car survey found that of cars up to four years old, 31% of EV owners reported one fault or more, compared to just 19% who drive petrol cars.

www.thisismoney.co.uk

 

[Dave]

My history with EVs

2016 Used BMW i3. Absolutely perfect car with no issues.

2017 New BMW i3. Another perfect car with no issues and better range.

2016 Used Tesla MS 85. 2 weeks after purchase the motor started making a loud noise. Off the road for three weeks while Tesla replaced the motor under warranty. SWMBO hated riding it in. I couldn’t get on with the interior. Had to try one though.

2018 Nissan Leaf. Absolute nightmare. Nissan took it back.

New iPace: On the day I took delivery (back in 2018), the dealer had not put much charge in it. Drove it to a Rapid Charger. Plugged it in and it killed the car. Jaguar support came out and investigated. Car returned after one week. This car did eventually go back to Jaguar because it was riddled with problems.

New 2018 Gen1 MG ZS EV Exclusive. Brilliant car but in the end I needed more range.

New 2018 Hyundai Ioniq. Great car but range not quite there. This car easily achieved 6miles/kWh on long runs. Heater packed up on day 2 of ownership. Loan car for a week.

New 2020 MG5 Excite. Brilliant car with not a single problem.

New 2022 MG ZS EV Trophy Connect. I’ve had this car for less than a month. Up to now - no issues.

Of all the EVs I have had, the BMWs and MGs caused me little or no problems.

The Jaguar iPace and Nissan Leaf were both nightmares.

After investing a lot of my faith, money and time into EVs I have decided there is no advantage in spending stupid money now because all EVs are in their infancy as far as tech goes. Tesla tech is not that much different to everyone else’s, and they still have a lot to learn about building a car. Jaguar took a punt with the iPace. It drives quite well, much nicer than the Tesla, but the software was so poor it killed the car for me.

MG has managed somehow to make cars that have all the tech and range of much more expensive cars while keeping the price as competitive as they can get away with. My previous MG ZS and MG5 had not a single problem. I am hoping the new ZS performs as well. Spending loads of money on high cost EVs certainly does not guarantee reliability.

 

[Deleted member 7316]

I think there tends to be a threshold where too much complication can tip over the reliability. Most cars when you buy second hand the web strongly advises to check all electronics thoroughly.

The Leaf we had the winter range proved to be not enough but I also had issues with the driver assistance.

 

[chowbenter]

Oh er Missus! It doesn't bode well for EV's to come down in price at the moment Nickel prices topped $100000/tonne today, Soaring nickel prices will make it more expense to buy your next Tesla, just ask Rivian customers