Interesting/worrying story from Scotland - ZS with no brakes.

[scoobeesnac]

anyone fancy making a FOI request for the Police attendance incident ?

 

[moth71]

Just reading the Jaguar I pace driver claiming his brakes failed on M62 has been arrested, has there been any update on the ZS.

Man arrested after runaway electric car stopped on M62

A 31-year-old has been arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving and causing a public nuisance.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[chowbenter]

What really annoys me is this happens five months ago in Oct 23 & still not a sausage anywhere on the WWW with no news of an investigation from MG Motors or any independent sources for that matter, Can I take it the whole matter was a load of tosh or are these investigations time-consuming & we will have to wait longer for an outcome?
You would have thought that if it was actually true why hasn't there been a quest by concerned parties for the truth to limit bad publicity & lost sales of the MG ZS EV.

 

[DB Go Rex]

What really annoys me is this happens five months ago in Oct 23 & still not a sausage anywhere on the WWW with no news of an investigation from MG Motors or any independent sources for that matter, Can I take it the whole matter was a load of tosh or are these investigations time-consuming & we will have to wait longer for an outcome?
You would have thought that if it was actually true why hasn't there been a quest by concerned parties for the truth to limit bad publicity & lost sales of the MG ZS EV.

I'd be very surprised if there was any investigation.

There's really no case to answer.

 

[legend99]

The brake vacuum pump (hopefully i have correct name) went in the ZS we had just bought. It did mean that the brakes were extremely difficult to use to get the car to stop as it happened as the car was driving. Not thrilled at all and would say it was just as well it didn't happened on a motorway.

 

[ozzz]

The brake vacuum pump (hopefully i have correct name) went in the ZS we had just bought. It did mean that the brakes were extremely difficult to use to get the car to stop as it happened as the car was driving. Not thrilled at all and would say it was just as well it didn't happened on a motorway.

Yes it helps in brake pedal pressure required in the vehicle but does not affect the mechanical pressure u as a driver have to press the pedal a lot harder, I have driven pre vacuum brake vehicles, and non powered steering.

 

[legend99]

Yes it helps in brake pedal pressure required in the vehicle but does not effect the mechanical pressure u as a driver have to press the pedal a lot harder, I have driven pre vacuum brake vehicles, and none powered steering.

My wife was driving and she struggled to stop the car. To be fair, I had to move it after it happened as I couldn't leave it where she stopped and it was extremely difficult to stop the car. I do have serious worries about what would have happened if the pump had gone as the car was travelling at 60mph on a motorway....

 

[ozzz]

My wife was driving and she struggled to stop the car. To be fair, I had to move it after it happened as I couldn't leave it where she stopped and it was extremely difficult to stop the car. I do have serious worries about what would have happened if the pump had gone as the car was travelling at 60mph on a motorway....

Yes I can believe it’s a scary thing to happen especially if u don’t know the mechanics.
Still have brakes just have to push hard as, old days single circuit brakes u had a real hand brake that would do some stopping for u in emergency.

 

[mg4mc]

It's not quite the same as the "old days" of non assisted brakes though. Then they were designed to be used without assistance, now they are designed to be used with assistance, and the pressure required when the assistance fails is much greater.

You still have a parking brake you can use in an emergency

 

[legend99]

It's not quite the same as the "old days" of non assisted brakes though. Then they were designed to be used without assistance, now they are designed to be used with assistance, and the pressure required when the assistance fails is much greater.

You still have a parking brake you can use in an emergency

Actually that's interesting. I had to move the car and I tried to apply the parking brake when I was at about 5mph - and it actually disengaged everytime I pulled it

 

[Alb]

You have to maintain the switch in its operating position for it to work.

 

[ozzz]

It's not quite the same as the "old days" of non assisted brakes though. Then they were designed to be used without assistance, now they are designed to be used with assistance, and the pressure required when the assistance fails is much greater.

You still have a parking brake you can use in an emergency

Yes to meet Australian ADR it still has to stop the vehicle with the foot brake even with the servo inoperative vac or electric, also the parking brake only has to retard the vehicle under light throttle, not the same as pull up the leaver on a ratchet and stop the car , this was important on single circuit brakes as it was all you had for stopping.

 

[johnb80]

Actually that's interesting. I had to move the car and I tried to apply the parking brake when I was at about 5mph - and it actually disengaged everytime I pulled it

you have to hold it up, it should then apply the brakes.

 

[legend99]

you have to hold it up, it should then apply the brakes.

Hadn't realised that! Thanks for the heads up!

 

[securespark]

I have heard that if your EV is "running away", pulling the parking brake actuator will slow and stop the vehicle.

Although I have never tried this, nor selecting N at speed.

In an emergency, with a conventional manual car, you can knock the lever into N, then apply the handbrake slowly notch by notch.

Can anybody confirm exactly what you are able to do to stop an EV in an emergency as a front seat passenger?

EDIT: Sorry L99, I missed your post.

 

[Tim Green]

I think you can select N at any time, but I have not tried it. Also I believe you can tow the car in N, which is not possible in all EV's.

 

[Lovemyev]

Can anybody confirm exactly what you are able to do to stop an EV in an emergency as a front seat passenger?

Here you go, it’s correct operation procedure is covered on page 205 of the manual.

 

[Alb]

I've removed all of the Off-Topic discussion on Accelerated Mobile Pages.

 

[Nelly]

Wow, people hitting another car when they're trying to park eh? That never happened before EVs!

EV propaganda is just giving people more excuses to use when they mess up.

Wow. You must be an expert. This happened to me on 6th April this year. I pulled into a very large off road parking space. As my foot engaged the brake pedal (with a witness in the car) it took off and accelerated very quickly no acc engaged. I was shocked as it ru over 10ft gaining speed with my foot on the brake and rammed into the back of a transit van. If as you are insinuating that this is my fault the anti collision should have kicked in but it didnt. It catches pedestrians and other cars rurning corners but didnt catch a huge transit van in front of me. It done the sane as I was drivi g it home down hil with my foot on the brake as it was a vwry steep hill. All i cannsay is that if this was in a busy residential are there would have been fatalities.

The vehicle has been repaired and is booked in to MG for a full diagnostics on Friday.

 

[tsedge]

Wow. You must be an expert. This happened to me on 6th April this year. I pulled into a very large off road parking space. As my foot engaged the brake pedal (with a witness in the car) it took off and accelerated very quickly no acc engaged. I was shocked as it ru over 10ft gaining speed with my foot on the brake and rammed into the back of a transit van. If as you are insinuating that this is my fault the anti collision should have kicked in but it didnt. It catches pedestrians and other cars rurning corners but didnt catch a huge transit van in front of me. It done the sane as I was drivi g it home down hil with my foot on the brake as it was a vwry steep hill. All i cannsay is that if this was in a busy residential are there would have been fatalities.

The vehicle has been repaired and is booked in to MG for a full diagnostics on Friday.

Sorry to hear about your experience Nelly. Must have been terrifying.

There's a lot of skepticism around these kinds of events because:

• People can be unreliable witnesses: e.g. they are convinced they did A when they actually did B.
• It is a known problem that sometimes people hit the wrong pedal even when they are convinced they didn't (tricked by their own muscle memory).
• There have been situations with a third party factor like something trapping the pedal (eg floor mat or carpet) or stuck under the brake.
• There have been cases where people lied to get publicity and compensation from manufacturers and to sell their story.

Now, I am not saying this is true of your case but it may explain some of the reactions you get. It is entirely possible that your car has the exact fault you report.

But people would understandably be skeptical that, for example, your passenger would be able to clearly see which pedal you are pressing (when most likely their attention would be on the approaching peril).

The anti-collision system is driver assistance only, not a safety system, so it may help in some situations but it is not guaranteed to stop the car in all.