Cocijo
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Quite a few changes planned going forward. I’ve seen some chat online about speed assist systems defaulting to on for each new cycle…
It’s coming i feel.
It’s coming i feel.
I have no objections as long as the systems are reliable.
At the moment, many manufacturers have terrible lane keep assist system implementations that are actually dangerous. Which makes the situation perverse when it's a safety body dealing out stars on the basis of these things existing as a check box.
That will be another feature to turn off each time you get in the car
The systems will remain terrible for years pending improvements in AI. Possibly Tesla will get there first, but it is an incredibly hard problem to solve and the best most of us can probably lobby for is a single button to switch to our preferred settings - sadly I would expect NCAP would veto that (if they haven't already) on the grounds that you are not explicitly choosing to disable each safety system in turn.I have no objections as long as the systems are reliable.
At the moment, many manufacturers have terrible lane keep assist system implementations that are actually dangerous. Which makes the situation perverse when it's a safety body dealing out stars on the basis of these things existing as a check box.
Agreed.
The safety body believes that the systems will improve safety when they work, and are relying on consumer complaints to make them work once they force them into cars. If people had the option to choose to buy the systems they would, in the main, opt not to and hence they'd never be developed.
I've realised that I've got old as I am no longer willing to accept this rubbish and will just opt out of buying new cars with these non-working systems.
They can ask, but NCAP is a voluntary thing. Manufacturers use it to benchmark against a standard, pick up the stars and use it to sell cars. NCAP can't dictate, they measure/test and make recommendations.I also wonder if they will ask manufacturers to retrospectively add features like this via updates?
I would, but then I know enough to be able to tell the difference between a genuinely unsafe car and one that just doesn't comply with NCAP. I highly doubt most people would and to them, NCAP = Is my car safe? The monopoly effectively mandates compliance because most manufacturers can't afford not to score highly.I wonder if customers would actually buy cars that were not NCAP 5 star, very safe in crash tests, but downgraded because for example LKA wasn’t included? I bet that they would!
Some might pay extra for new cars without NCAP systems!I would, but then I know enough to be able to tell the difference between a genuinely unsafe car and one that just doesn't comply with NCAP. I highly doubt most people would and to them, NCAP = Is my car safe? The monopoly effectively mandates compliance because most manufacturers can't afford not to score highly.
Interesting though that the Zoe (I think) deliberately dropped NCAP compliance to reduce the cost (on one model I think - might have the wrong car). I suppose at the value end of the market (which is where MG is really), people might just buy on price alone.
They changed the side airbags on the ZE50 from head and thorax to head only, but even if they hadn't the ZE50 would have only got 1 star under the updated tests because of it's lack of modern driver aids.I would, but then I know enough to be able to tell the difference between a genuinely unsafe car and one that just doesn't comply with NCAP. I highly doubt most people would and to them, NCAP = Is my car safe? The monopoly effectively mandates compliance because most manufacturers can't afford not to score highly.
Interesting though that the Zoe (I think) deliberately dropped NCAP compliance to reduce the cost (on one model I think - might have the wrong car). I suppose at the value end of the market (which is where MG is really), people might just buy on price alone.
I think there are cars that are on sale that haven't been tested.I wonder if customers would actually buy cars that were not NCAP 5 star, very safe in crash tests, but downgraded because for example LKA wasn’t included? I bet that they would!
Interesting article. It shows what appears to be a very naive approach by NCAPI think there are cars that are on sale that haven't been tested.
The MG ZS EV didn't have any rating for a while when it went on sale, and there were buyers.
I think NCAP can just test cars without manufacturers involvement, so it makes sense for them to work with them as eventually you'd assume they'd test it anyway.
Interesting article here I stumbled on. Seems I am not the only one that thinks the LKS thing is a bad move for NCAP:
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Euro NCAP Ratings Explained: How Safe is Your Car?
You’ve likely seen Euro NCAP ratings when looking for a new car, but what do they mean? This guide explains.www.carwow.co.uk
Don’t ever get the MG4 this tries to pull the wheel out of my hands downright dangerous. TonyI have no objections as long as the systems are reliable.
At the moment, many manufacturers have terrible lane keep assist system implementations that are actually dangerous. Which makes the situation perverse when it's a safety body dealing out stars on the basis of these things existing as a check box.
The NCAP is a great system to show how safe a car can be although the highest speed they use is 39mph (55kmh) and most of the tests are done at just 18-22mph!
Is it a great system? I’m not so sure. I think that it needs a complete overhaul. In many cases ncap is being used as a marketing tool by manufacturers, who look to get a tick in the box in order to give their cars a 5 star statusThe NCAP is a great system to show how safe a car can be although the highest speed they use is 39mph (55kmh) and most of the tests are done at just 18-22mph!
The speed limiter will have to be fitted to every new car as of April this year, it can be switched off but at the moment, you will probably run the risk of higher fines in the future when speeding as not using it will impact the final decision.
I use the intelligent speed limiter on my MG4 on busy motorways and manual when driving through towns and cities, I find it works well most of the time in auto mode but you do still need to keep your observation skills sharp due to very poor road markings and signage on UK roads.
As for Lane Keeping, well compared to my previous ZS the MG4 isn’t as smooth for sure, I switch it to alert or off before setting off. In traffic jam assist its better but still needs some software work. It would be nice if it remembered I like it switched off though ?
It is quite alarming how bad all cars are in a relatively slow impact.That's probably because that's the speed range of most accidents.
Plus, if they were launching cars at 70mph at concrete walls most accidents would probably show limited survivability.