LKA Lane Keep Assist - is MG Listening?

[google1901]

On the MG5 (& ZS mk1) once set to off that's it. Why MG do not offer a permanent setting for MG4. Is there a S/W update option for it?

 

[NLMGSAN]

On the MG5 (& ZS mk1) once set to off that's it. Why MG do not offer a permanent setting for MG4. Is there a S/W update option for it?

Any car after the 6th of july 2022 always has it on as default at startup.

 

[Tig170]

Any car after the 6th of july 2022 always has it on as default at startup.

I think that this is a build date, my MG4 was built around then, but has no issues with LKA, as it stays off by default.

 

[Badger67]

Same in Sweden. Narrow roads lka is very dangerous as it suddenly want to either steer off the road into a 2 meter ditch or steer right into oncoming traffic. Very dangerous. No OTA receiveid in my car for 1.5 year.

 

[LenEV2016]

Same in Sweden. Narrow roads lka is very dangerous as it suddenly want to either steer off the road into a 2 meter ditch or steer right into oncoming traffic. Very dangerous. No OTA receiveid in my car for 1.5 year.

As said in another thread there is an update that make LKA tamer and pretty much work as it should.

Ota unfortunately will never happen with this generation of MG4's as their software is a mess and they run the risk of bricking the cars with ota

 

[OriginalBigAl]

From the NCAP videos for the MG4 it shows that it does (and emergency braking ) not work all the time in all conditions ( sorry test track conditions ) but passes the threshold limit for a pass. Actual road conditions are more complex and varied so we have to assume we are the Guinea pigs whose experiences are beginning to amass the information required for the next generation of these devices. I don't think NASA would allow a 16 year old with a GCSE grade B pass in maths to do the re-entry calculations for their space vehicles.

 

[Badger67]

As said in another thread there is an update that make LKA tamer and pretty much work as it should.

Ota unfortunately will never happen with this generation of MG4's as their software is a mess and they run the risk of bricking the cars with ota

In Sweden MG has not released any update for workshops either. Did 1 yr service and asked for update sw but they said non available.

 

[NLMGSAN]

From the NCAP videos for the MG4 it shows that it does (and emergency braking ) not work all the time in all conditions ( sorry test track conditions ) but passes the threshold limit for a pass. Actual road conditions are more complex and varied so we have to assume we are the Guinea pigs whose experiences are beginning to amass the information required for the next generation of these devices. I don't think NASA would allow a 16 year old with a GCSE grade B pass in maths to do the re-entry calculations for their space vehicles.

That's what I'm saying as well.
And I think there are two other aspects we should not forget: poorly calibrated hardware and incomplete updates. Combined with the poor day-to-day fit to road conditions your complaints may pile up significantly. So some are content. Some hate it.

Btw, the video also shows an interesting aspect of the mg4 system. At 3:20 you can see the car steering away from a dashed lane marker.
Now read this (latest EU regulation) :
" In order to avoid unnecessary interventions by the emergency lane-keeping system, which may prompt the driver to switch the system off and thus lead to loss of potential safety benefit, the emergency lane-keeping system should be required only to warn the driver and not to correct the vehicle trajectory when crossing dashed-lane markings."

 

[ReintjeWA]

Btw, the video also shows an interesting aspect of the mg4 system. At 3:20 you can see the car steering away from a dashed lane marker.
Now read this (latest EU regulation) :
" In order to avoid unnecessary interventions by the emergency lane-keeping system, which may prompt the driver to switch the system off and thus lead to loss of potential safety benefit, the emergency lane-keeping system should be required only to warn the driver and not to correct the vehicle trajectory when crossing dashed-lane markings."

How do you find LKA and ELK to be in The Netherlands? My memory of Dutch roads is quite positive, compared to the road markings here in Perth WA, but perhaps standards have slipped in the last decade. I would think these systems work better with better road markings, but I could be wrong of course.

 

[NLMGSAN]

Just to get it straight: I assume with LKA you mean the overall system. ELK is the most advanced third mode.

To be honest, it is a fair mixed bag. Like on National roads, typically 80 kmh or 60kmh roads if they made them narrower. Many of these roads share the single or double solid lane markers telling you not to cross it. But the LKA system does not recognize it in two out of three modes (alert and LDA). In ELK mode it only works intermittently with high sensitivity. Using that combo on higways however will lead to a continuous pulling into the middle of the lane, even if you deliberately don't want to because of damaged roads, puddles etc. Disabling it while driving is a disaster, and unsafe in itself. It also becomes very sensitive to tar seams when wet. You probably remember the weather here, so you understand why I never use these settings. I stick to Alert without the beep but with vibration.

Btw, in that video I pointed at, you can see the dashed lane markers you typically see on the narrower N roads.These markers are not used as lane dividers but as markers of the outer sides of the road. There is usually a spare 1 mtr of road after crossing the markers to allow cars coming from the opposite direction to pass you. So it is intended to be crossed for safety reasons. Like in the video, the MG4 steers you back (closer to the middle and into the trajectory of cars coming from the opposite direction).

Now that I no longer use this LDA or ELK, my biggest complaint is ACC. Like the screen it too slow in reacting to new situations. And it is hopelessly 'scared'. Most common observation to illustrate this : on the A50 between Nijmegen and Arnhem this highway splits into 2x 2 lanes when crossing the river (Waal).
If I drive in the left one of the outer two lanes, trucks are to the right of me. After crossing the bridges, the four lanes merge again and I often end up in a situation with two trucks: one to the left and one to right side of me. The MG freaks out and brakes..... You do not want that.

 

[Walks with Enzo]

interesting articale in Which magazine

 

[siteguru]

Old news ... and we're still waiting. (The fix from MG was promised for August time frame - we're now nearly in December and still nothing. To be fair though, I'm not sure they actually did say what year).

 

[GameZone]

Old news ... and we're still waiting. (The fix from MG was promised for August time frame - we're now nearly in December and still nothing. To be fair though, I'm not sure they actually did say what year).

The best fix would be to disable it Forever.

 

[haloweenhamster]

IDK I'd say that it's fine now
Tbh there's been quite a few updates that could effect the LKA in the last year

PS ForTAC are mandatory, MG China ask dealerships to carry these out, ForDealer are optional, dealerships will only carry out if you report the correct issue

 

[Kithmo]

I must admit, the LKA is not as vicious on mine since the dealer did some updates at the last service in June.

 

[Rohnstrom]

I know it is another rant about the LKA, is nobody at MG listening? Had I realised how tedious it is to go through the procedure of resetting it to an acceptable level before driving off I think I would have really thought twice about it.


Even with the updated software which does give more control, it still resets to the strongest alert level even if the sensitivity remains low. I live in the country and get lots of false LKA triggers on country roads, it is very wearing having the steering wrenched toward a hedge or the other carriageway for no reason other than having forgot to turn the bloody thing down. I am quite happy with an alert, which I think would be enough for anyone, with an option to increase the level if I require it.

I guess that I am not the only frustrated MG4 owner out there but I will ask again.

!!!! Is anybody at MG listening !!!!
I should say that I think it is a great car and I am very happy with it except for the LKA and not being able to have a non automated cruise control but that is another story.

I so agree with you!! I so much do not like LKA. It is dangerous when you do not switch it of. And have to do so every time. Indeed driving in the country is hellish. "Take control of your vehicle". I AM in control of the vehicle.
MG pilot is never switched on. I do never use ICA or ACC.

 

[NLMGSAN]

I so agree with you!! I so much do not like LKA. It is dangerous when you do not switch it of. And have to do so every time. Indeed driving in the country is hellish. "Take control of your vehicle". I AM in control of the vehicle.
MG pilot is never switched on. I do never use ICA or ACC.

ICA? Do you mean ISA?

 

[Rohnstrom]

I do not drive an MG4 but an MG3 and I think it is called ICA

 

[NLMGSAN]

I do not drive an MG4 but an MG3 and I think it is called ICA

Aah...that is Intelligent Cruise Assist. TJA on the MG4.

 

[Tonych]

Worst case scenario LKA is a bit annoying, not dangerous on my car. It provides very little feedback on country roads, and isn't annoying on highways.

On my MG4 Trophy it is definitely dangerous - if I don't switch it off it is always trying to pull me into a different lane. On a related note, if I don't turn it off, when turning right into my road (just before a bend), as I move to the centre of the road the car suddenly applies emergency braking. The scooter delivery riders that are always on your tail and largely untrained and crap riders, get very close to rear ending me. The swear words from them are unbelievable...... but justified