MG ZS EV refuses to charge ….

[Kithmo]

So many people "claiming" to be worse off because they are so used to living the high life beyond their means to start with.
I agree some should be paid more but having lived through more than one recession I have learned to tighten my belt and not bleat about "not having enough".
I don't waste money on expensive iPhones and ridiculous tariffs, I don't buy new items because the old one is out of date etc. I just make sure all my bills are paid before anything else then I can spend what's left on whatever I want.
FYI I am living on my state pension and a small works pension and not struggling, which is why I can't understand why so many people who are claiming to be can't tighten their belts.
Oh and the previous post above was INTENDED as a joke, not claimed and not aimed at anyone personally.

 

[keithaford]

Hi. I’m new to this forum. I’m just about to cancel my order for a new Kia Niro, as it’s become clear there are issues with charging it . ( intermittent and inexplicable, suspicion that it is a factory or design fault in the new model.) I’m on this forum to see whether MG has any widespread issues. So far, seems ok.
Keith F.

 

[Ruislip Resident]

Wow, are you a banker?

Bad taste is often claimed as a joke when exposed for what it is…..

You don’t normally find chavs living that far north.

Rarely have I experienced this level of cultural deafness, are you Jeremy Clarkson?

In the UK we have nurses, ambulance staff, rail workers and loads more striking for a pay rise, everyone suffering a 400% increase in energy costs, increases in food and mortgages, so many families struggling to put food on the table and you are bragging about being comfortable wasting over £170 and not being at all bothered about it.

Good to know you are so comfortable with so many people suffering and making fun of them.

Good joke!

Stick to EV car stuff please. Political debates, though perfectly legitimate, can be done on newspaper discussion boards etc.

 

[BarryH]

The new peaks are now being created by the increased amount of off-peak charging!

From an insider I know who works on this very thing the total demand of EV owners isn't creating a peak in fact it is useful in moving demand from the high demand, 5 pm to 6 pm a time, which otherwise commuters returning home might otherwise plug in their EVs and charge and which would coincide with the teatime demand peak. The issue is EVs which set their delayed charge to the exact time of the start of off-peak charging. This means for example at EXACTLY 00:30 when the Octopus Go cheap rate begins EVERYONE who wants to charge that night on Go will initiate at the same precise instant and cause a surge in demand. This spike in demand from all over the country is difficult to manage on the Grid. by using Smart Chargers the grid through the regional DNOs can phase in the charge initiation and smooth out that spike so that all other users of the grid don't experience voltage dips or frequency variation for which tight limits are mandated.

 

[Cocijo]

Hi. I’m new to this forum. I’m just about to cancel my order for a new Kia Niro, as it’s become clear there are issues with charging it . ( intermittent and inexplicable, suspicion that it is a factory or design fault in the new model.) I’m on this forum to see whether MG has any widespread issues. So far, seems ok.
Keith F.

I would think twice about cancelling any car on finding there are faults reported. You’ll see on here there are many reported faults across many topics and models. You need to accept that any car can have issues, it’s how well they get resolved and good customer service that is important.

 

[Kithmo]

I would think twice about cancelling any car on finding there are faults reported. You’ll see on here there are many reported faults across many topics and models. You need to accept that any car can have issues, it’s how well they get resolved and good customer service that is important.

True and most other makes come with a heftier price tag for the privilege.

 

[Cocijo]

From an insider I know who works on this very thing the total demand of EV owners isn't creating a peak in fact it is useful in moving demand from the high demand, 5 pm to 6 pm a time, which otherwise commuters returning home might otherwise plug in their EVs and charge and which would coincide with the teatime demand peak. The issue is EVs which set their delayed charge to the exact time of the start of off-peak charging. This means for example at EXACTLY 00:30 when the Octopus Go cheap rate begins EVERYONE who wants to charge that night on Go will initiate at the same precise instant and cause a surge in demand. This spike in demand from all over the country is difficult to manage on the Grid. by using Smart Chargers the grid through the regional DNOs can phase in the charge initiation and smooth out that spike so that all other users of the grid don't experience voltage dips or frequency variation for which tight limits are mandated.

That’s useful info. I would say though, that when many chargers are set to start at 00.30 that creates a peak in demand…

 

[Gadget Geek]

Hi. I’m new to this forum. I’m just about to cancel my order for a new Kia Niro, as it’s become clear there are issues with charging it . ( intermittent and inexplicable, suspicion that it is a factory or design fault in the new model.) I’m on this forum to see whether MG has any widespread issues. So far, seems ok.
Keith F.

Hi Keith, and welcome to the forum. It is a mine of information on here. I usually charge at home and have had no problems so far. I set a night schedule in the car and I've set it in the app as well with no issues. Recently did my first long journey with public charging and the only issue there was faulty chargers, car performed flawlessly. Very pleased.

 

[BarryH]

I am on the Octopus Go Faster tariff and not receiving any subsidised rates, who are you with that they are subsidising energy costs?

There is nothing concessionaire about the Go Faster tariff, it is a way for the grid to charge for excess energy production (wind / nuke) which if not sold would be damaging to the grid, or the grid would end up paying, predominantly wind farms, the millions of pounds to shut down the turbines, to effectively not generate power.

this has been around for 50 years, exasperated by the wind farms, who built the wind farms on the basis that the National Grid would guarantee that their production of electricity so that the wind farms could secure an ROI. At night the national grid pays producers to NOT produce to avoid overloading the grid.

Enconomy 7 helped with this, now supported by the Go and Go Faster tarriffs.

I pay 8.25p for 5 hours of energy and 40.x p for the remaining 19 hours of energy above the going rate of 34p kWh, the 8.25p is coming from green energy and not subjected to the Gas peaker plant hit that pushes elec up to the current nationally subsidised rate of 34p kWh.

If the DNO wants to load balance the grid by controlling my charger they are welcome to, as long as they supply the charger, and pay the elec bill, failing that they need to provide incentives to encourage people who purchased their chargers and pay for their elec, to enable grid control on users devices.

The Zappi I purchased was not subject to this Grid control and will remain so.

I neither seek or need Grid permission to use ANY electrical appliance, Car, EMS, shower, toaster or oven.

I am willing to entertain subsidies/refunds on my purchases/ energy in trade for relinquishing some limited control of my devices, but unwilling to release control without.

If I'm not very much mistaken the Zappi is and always has been a compliment "Smart" charger (more correctly a Smart EVSE - Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment). The regulations are tightening and there is a very helpful description to clarify what has already been said is at the link below.

The UK's EV smart charging regulations 2022 explained | EVBox

Key points are:

Why smart EV charging regulations?​

Installing a smart EV charger unlocks many advantages, both for EV drivers and the grid operator, by making charging more predictable and allowing easier management of peak electricity loads. In addition, the energy system at large will benefit as smart charging allows for more optimal integration of renewable energy sources.

To ensure EV smart chargers meet certain requirements, the UK government is increasingly bringing in new regulations. Generally speaking, these regulations are meant to optimise the charging experience in a few different ways.

The UK's EV smart charging regulations​

Globally, the United Kingdom leads smart charging regulations, already having adopted a concrete package of measures governing the use of EV chargers. According to the Smart Charge Points Regulations, as of 30th June 2022, all EV chargers sold in the UK for home or workplace use must support a certain level of smart functionality and meet a set of minimum requirements. These regulations concern mainly connectivity, privacy and security, off-peak charging, and phased charging times.

Connectivity​

A core requirement of the new regulation is that all EV chargers must have an integrated data connection that measures and communicates electricity usage during the charging session. At the same time, this monitoring system allows the charging station to automatically delay or slow the charging, for example, if electricity demand is too high.

Off-peak charging​

To combat peaks in electricity demand, all new chargers sold from 30th June 2022 must be set by default to avoid charging during peak hours, specifically between 8am and 11am and 4pm to 10pm.

Delayed charging / Phased charging times​

To avoid a peak in electricity demand at 10pm from millions of EVs starting to charge simultaneously, the government requires chargers to be able to delay charging by up to 1800 seconds, or 30 minutes, to protect the electricity grid.

This way, EVs can start charging in phases, smoothing out the increase in demand over a longer period, thus making it more manageable. As with the previous features, EV drivers will always stay in control and can manually override the delay if they wish to charge immediately.

 

[Robf]

If I'm not very much mistaken the Zappi is and always has been a compliment "Smart" charger (more correctly a Smart EVSE - Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment). The regulations are tightening and there is a very helpful description to clarify what has already been said is at the link below.

The UK's EV smart charging regulations 2022 explained | EVBox

Key points are:

Why smart EV charging regulations?​

Installing a smart EV charger unlocks many advantages, both for EV drivers and the grid operator, by making charging more predictable and allowing easier management of peak electricity loads. In addition, the energy system at large will benefit as smart charging allows for more optimal integration of renewable energy sources.

To ensure EV smart chargers meet certain requirements, the UK government is increasingly bringing in new regulations. Generally speaking, these regulations are meant to optimise the charging experience in a few different ways.

The UK's EV smart charging regulations​

Globally, the United Kingdom leads smart charging regulations, already having adopted a concrete package of measures governing the use of EV chargers. According to the Smart Charge Points Regulations, as of 30th June 2022, all EV chargers sold in the UK for home or workplace use must support a certain level of smart functionality and meet a set of minimum requirements. These regulations concern mainly connectivity, privacy and security, off-peak charging, and phased charging times.

Connectivity​

A core requirement of the new regulation is that all EV chargers must have an integrated data connection that measures and communicates electricity usage during the charging session. At the same time, this monitoring system allows the charging station to automatically delay or slow the charging, for example, if electricity demand is too high.

Off-peak charging​

To combat peaks in electricity demand, all new chargers sold from 30th June 2022 must be set by default to avoid charging during peak hours, specifically between 8am and 11am and 4pm to 10pm.

Delayed charging / Phased charging times​

To avoid a peak in electricity demand at 10pm from millions of EVs starting to charge simultaneously, the government requires chargers to be able to delay charging by up to 1800 seconds, or 30 minutes, to protect the electricity grid.

This way, EVs can start charging in phases, smoothing out the increase in demand over a longer period, thus making it more manageable. As with the previous features, EV drivers will always stay in control and can manually override the delay if they wish to charge immediately.

No I had the first gen Zappi and it wasnt smart (as defined above). The gen 2 and beyond are