ParkingEye Fines

Mundiz

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I visited the Holiday Inn Canterbury in July 2021 to charge up my new MG ZS EV on my journey from Doncaster to Dover and back to visit an ex army comrade from the 70’s. After attaching the charge cable to my car, my wife and I went into the Holiday Inn where I informed the receptionist that I was charging my car and would it be possible to buy refreshments. I was told yes and we proceeded to buy £14.67 worth of wine for my wife and Diet Coke for me. After the drinks we went back to the car where we were charged £7.76 by BPPULSE for electricity. A couple of weeks after we returned I received a threatening letter from Parkingeye demanding a payment of £100 (reduced to £60 if I paid immediately) for parking at the Holiday Inn whilst being a customer of theirs. I refused to pay the fine and contacted ParkingEye but they insisted I pay it. Eventually as a gesture of good faith they said I could pay £20 to settle my case. Once again I told them to stuff their fine and I appealed it but ParkingEye refused my appeal. I then appealed to POPLA (the authority for appealing parking fines). They upheld my appeal so I have nothing to pay.

Do not be intimidated by the bully boy tactics these private parking companies use. If you are right stand your ground.
 
I visited the Holiday Inn Canterbury in July 2021 to charge up my new MG ZS EV on my journey from Doncaster to Dover and back to visit an ex army comrade from the 70’s. After attaching the charge cable to my car, my wife and I went into the Holiday Inn where I informed the receptionist that I was charging my car and would it be possible to buy refreshments. I was told yes and we proceeded to buy £14.67 worth of wine for my wife and Diet Coke for me. After the drinks we went back to the car where we were charged £7.76 by BPPULSE for electricity. A couple of weeks after we returned I received a threatening letter from Parkingeye demanding a payment of £100 (reduced to £60 if I paid immediately) for parking at the Holiday Inn whilst being a customer of theirs. I refused to pay the fine and contacted ParkingEye but they insisted I pay it. Eventually as a gesture of good faith they said I could pay £20 to settle my case. Once again I told them to stuff their fine and I appealed it but ParkingEye refused my appeal. I then appealed to POPLA (the authority for appealing parking fines). They upheld my appeal so I have nothing to pay.

Do not be intimidated by the bully boy tactics these private parking companies use. If you are right stand your ground.
Fair play buddy so everyone who charges there car will get a ticket there by the sounds of it ?? Surely the hotel would know that they use parking eye and they should inform them that anyone using the chargers is NOT to be fined.
 
Fair play buddy so everyone who charges there car will get a ticket there by the sounds of it ?? Surely the hotel would know that they use parking eye and they should inform them that anyone using the chargers is NOT to be fined.
I agree but that won’t happen. Private parking companies like ParkingEye rely on people being intimidated by the bully boy tactics they employ with threats of being taken to court.
 
There's a community website set up that is very successful in fighting private parking tickets, as well as council ones and also moving traffic offences.

Key is never to reveal the identity of the driver. You only ever report what the driver did/said/thought. Never I parked, I drove etc.

More here:

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It's not a fine in the legal sense, it's an invoice.
The way they word the Parking Charge Notice and the way it is formatted with them mentioning taking the recipient to court makes it look like a Fine.
 
I'd have gotten Holiday Inn to resolve the matter.
Parking Eye are merely their agents.
 
I visited the Holiday Inn Canterbury in July 2021 to charge up my new MG ZS EV on my journey from Doncaster to Dover and back to visit an ex army comrade from the 70’s. After attaching the charge cable to my car, my wife and I went into the Holiday Inn where I informed the receptionist that I was charging my car and would it be possible to buy refreshments. I was told yes and we proceeded to buy £14.67 worth of wine for my wife and Diet Coke for me. After the drinks we went back to the car where we were charged £7.76 by BPPULSE for electricity. A couple of weeks after we returned I received a threatening letter from Parkingeye demanding a payment of £100 (reduced to £60 if I paid immediately) for parking at the Holiday Inn whilst being a customer of theirs. I refused to pay the fine and contacted ParkingEye but they insisted I pay it. Eventually as a gesture of good faith they said I could pay £20 to settle my case. Once again I told them to stuff their fine and I appealed it but ParkingEye refused my appeal. I then appealed to POPLA (the authority for appealing parking fines). They upheld my appeal so I have nothing to pay.

Do not be intimidated by the bully boy tactics these private parking companies use. If you are right stand your ground.
Please read the below - the outcome of my appeal..please pay attention to the part that I highlighted as it may help others.
The appellant has identified themselves as the driver on the date of the event as such I am considering driver liability. The signage in place at this site sets out the terms and conditions of the contract on offer; each driver is given an opportunity to review the signage prior to parking with an option to leave the site if they are not able to comply with the terms and conditions offered. The signage states, “Up to 1 hour £2.50”. There is a contact number on the signage for motorists to use if assistance is required. The burden of proof begins with the operator to demonstrate that it has correctly issued the parking charge with evidence and information to support their submission. The operator has supplied photographic evidence to show that the appellant entered the car park at 13:23 and left at 13:53, remaining for 29 minutes. The charge was issued by for either not purchasing a valid pay and display ticket or by remaining at the car park for longer than permitted. I consider that there was a contract between the driver and the operator, but it had been breached resulting in the PCN being issued. Within their appeal the appellant has raised concern about the signage in place at this particular car park I must therefore consider whether the signage is sufficient and clear in line with their concerns. Section 19 of the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice advises that drivers using private land will be governed by specific terms and conditions set out in the signage and that a contract is offered. The expected standard is that the signage is clear, conspicuous and legible so that they are easy to see, read and understand. Having considered the photographic evidence I can see that the signage throughout the site is reasonable, visible and that the wording is clear. I can see from the operator’s site map that it demonstrates the signage is placed throughout the site. I am satisfied that the signage meets the relevant standards. The car park in question is Novotel Ipswich Centre Hotel, Ipswich, IP1 IUP, it offers parking for Hotel guests with parking tariffs applying 24 hours a day 7 days a week. There is reference to the fact that Hotel guests must provide a full and correct registration number in order to obtain a permit paying £8 for 24 hours. However, there is no reference on the signage in respect of motorists who wish to use the electric charging facilities so I cannot determine the breach. The appellant has supplied evidence to demonstrate that they were at the site which was confirmed by the operator’s ANPR cameras and that they were there to take a charge to their electric vehicle, evidence of which has been supplied. Looking at this evidence I can see that it is the same postal address and Hotel location as the Hotel. However, the operator has not made any reference on its signage in regard to customers who are using the electrical charge facilities in respect of charges and the terms and conditions applicable. As the appellant was not a Hotel guest but a patron of another service on site it is it is not possible to determine if the appellant contravened the terms and conditions offered as there are non-specific to motorists charging their electrical vehicles. I do not feel that the additional grounds supplied by the appellant require any further consideration based on the assessment made. I am not satisfied that the charge has been issued correctly, therefore I must allow this appeal.
 
I'd have gotten Holiday Inn to resolve the matter.
Parking Eye are merely their agents.
This has been going on since July. I have talked to Holiday Inn Express several times who deny that it’s anything to do with them.
 
Please read the below - the outcome of my appeal..please pay attention to the part that I highlighted as it may help others.
The appellant has identified themselves as the driver on the date of the event as such I am considering driver liability. The signage in place at this site sets out the terms and conditions of the contract on offer; each driver is given an opportunity to review the signage prior to parking with an option to leave the site if they are not able to comply with the terms and conditions offered. The signage states, “Up to 1 hour £2.50”. There is a contact number on the signage for motorists to use if assistance is required. The burden of proof begins with the operator to demonstrate that it has correctly issued the parking charge with evidence and information to support their submission. The operator has supplied photographic evidence to show that the appellant entered the car park at 13:23 and left at 13:53, remaining for 29 minutes. The charge was issued by for either not purchasing a valid pay and display ticket or by remaining at the car park for longer than permitted. I consider that there was a contract between the driver and the operator, but it had been breached resulting in the PCN being issued. Within their appeal the appellant has raised concern about the signage in place at this particular car park I must therefore consider whether the signage is sufficient and clear in line with their concerns. Section 19 of the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice advises that drivers using private land will be governed by specific terms and conditions set out in the signage and that a contract is offered. The expected standard is that the signage is clear, conspicuous and legible so that they are easy to see, read and understand. Having considered the photographic evidence I can see that the signage throughout the site is reasonable, visible and that the wording is clear. I can see from the operator’s site map that it demonstrates the signage is placed throughout the site. I am satisfied that the signage meets the relevant standards. The car park in question is Novotel Ipswich Centre Hotel, Ipswich, IP1 IUP, it offers parking for Hotel guests with parking tariffs applying 24 hours a day 7 days a week. There is reference to the fact that Hotel guests must provide a full and correct registration number in order to obtain a permit paying £8 for 24 hours. However, there is no reference on the signage in respect of motorists who wish to use the electric charging facilities so I cannot determine the breach. The appellant has supplied evidence to demonstrate that they were at the site which was confirmed by the operator’s ANPR cameras and that they were there to take a charge to their electric vehicle, evidence of which has been supplied. Looking at this evidence I can see that it is the same postal address and Hotel location as the Hotel. However, the operator has not made any reference on its signage in regard to customers who are using the electrical charge facilities in respect of charges and the terms and conditions applicable. As the appellant was not a Hotel guest but a patron of another service on site it is it is not possible to determine if the appellant contravened the terms and conditions offered as there are non-specific to motorists charging their electrical vehicles. I do not feel that the additional grounds supplied by the appellant require any further consideration based on the assessment made. I am not satisfied that the charge has been issued correctly, therefore I must allow this appeal.
This was the result of my appeal:

Assessor summary of your case
The appellant’s case is that they passed through the Holiday Inn to park at a BP Pulse charge point to charge their vehicle. They advise the signage stated that they could park for free whilst charging their car. The appellant states their wife went into the Holiday Inn and asked could they use the facilities and were told yes. The appellant states they purchased drinks, used the toilets then left the site. The appellant is appealing on the basis they were not parked in the car park and they were a customer of the Holiday Inn. The appellant has provided evidence of their bank statement to support their appeal.
Assessor supporting rational for decision
In this specific car park, the terms and conditions appear to state: “Patron only car park. 30 minutes max stay. Hotel overnight guests must enter their full, correct vehicle registration into the terminal at reception on arrival & pay £3.00 per 24 hours. Conference guests must enter their full, correct vehicle registration into the terminal to be entitled to free parking. Failure to comply with the terms & conditions will result in a Parking Charge of: £100”. The operator has issued the PCN as the appellant either did not purchase a valid ticket, remained at the site for longer than permitted, or did not enter their vehicle registration details via the terminal. Having reviewed the operator’s case file, I can see that it is pursuing the appellant as they did not enter their vehicle registration via the terminal. The operator has identified a major keying error and offered the appellant a reduced charge of £20. This would lead me to believe that there are specific terms and conditions for motorists when using the electric charging facilities at the site. Upon further review of the operator’s case file, I can see that there are signs located by the electric chargers, however due to the distance they were taken from, I am unable to determine what they state. As such, I am allowing the appeal on the basis that the operator has not adequately demonstrated the terms and conditions of the contract the appellant was bound by as a user of the electric chargers. I acknowledge the appellant’s grounds of appeal, however addressing them will have no bearing on my decision. For the reasons outlined above, the appeal is allowed.
 
This has been going on since July. I have talked to Holiday Inn Express several times who deny that it’s anything to do with them.
Depends if it's them who engaged the PPC. Sometimes there is a separate owner of the land - think retail parks etc. where there are several outfits sharing carpark space.

Expanding on the point about the distinction between fines and invoices etc. here's the geeky view: fines may only be issued by courts; penalties may only be issued by statutory bodies such as police and councils; and invoices are issued by private parking companies.

Once again, forums.pepipoo.com is the goto resource.
 
This was the result of my appeal:

Assessor summary of your case
The appellant’s case is that they passed through the Holiday Inn to park at a BP Pulse charge point to charge their vehicle. They advise the signage stated that they could park for free whilst charging their car. The appellant states their wife went into the Holiday Inn and asked could they use the facilities and were told yes. The appellant states they purchased drinks, used the toilets then left the site. The appellant is appealing on the basis they were not parked in the car park and they were a customer of the Holiday Inn. The appellant has provided evidence of their bank statement to support their appeal.
Assessor supporting rational for decision
In this specific car park, the terms and conditions appear to state: “Patron only car park. 30 minutes max stay. Hotel overnight guests must enter their full, correct vehicle registration into the terminal at reception on arrival & pay £3.00 per 24 hours. Conference guests must enter their full, correct vehicle registration into the terminal to be entitled to free parking. Failure to comply with the terms & conditions will result in a Parking Charge of: £100”. The operator has issued the PCN as the appellant either did not purchase a valid ticket, remained at the site for longer than permitted, or did not enter their vehicle registration details via the terminal. Having reviewed the operator’s case file, I can see that it is pursuing the appellant as they did not enter their vehicle registration via the terminal. The operator has identified a major keying error and offered the appellant a reduced charge of £20. This would lead me to believe that there are specific terms and conditions for motorists when using the electric charging facilities at the site. Upon further review of the operator’s case file, I can see that there are signs located by the electric chargers, however due to the distance they were taken from, I am unable to determine what they state. As such, I am allowing the appeal on the basis that the operator has not adequately demonstrated the terms and conditions of the contract the appellant was bound by as a user of the electric chargers. I acknowledge the appellant’s grounds of appeal, however addressing them will have no bearing on my decision. For the reasons outlined above, the appeal is allowed.
It’s basically the same outcome as mine, just worded slightly differently, but it does reference the terms and conditions are not clear for electric car users…I bet they soon correct this matter..
 
I visited the Holiday Inn Canterbury in July 2021 to charge up my new MG ZS EV on my journey from Doncaster to Dover and back to visit an ex army comrade from the 70’s. After attaching the charge cable to my car, my wife and I went into the Holiday Inn where I informed the receptionist that I was charging my car and would it be possible to buy refreshments. I was told yes and we proceeded to buy £14.67 worth of wine for my wife and Diet Coke for me. After the drinks we went back to the car where we were charged £7.76 by BPPULSE for electricity. A couple of weeks after we returned I received a threatening letter from Parkingeye demanding a payment of £100 (reduced to £60 if I paid immediately) for parking at the Holiday Inn whilst being a customer of theirs. I refused to pay the fine and contacted ParkingEye but they insisted I pay it. Eventually as a gesture of good faith they said I could pay £20 to settle my case. Once again I told them to stuff their fine and I appealed it but ParkingEye refused my appeal. I then appealed to POPLA (the authority for appealing parking fines). They upheld my appeal so I have nothing to pay.

Do not be intimidated by the bully boy tactics these private parking companies use. If you are right stand your ground.
I have had similar problems with parking eye stopped to charge at podpoint in Lidl car post Llandudno. Got home only to be presented with £90 car park ticket. I was not parking but charging. I have appealed to POPLA like you but still waiting reply this happen 2 months ago. Hope my appeal is upheld like yours.
 
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