Shell to close 1000 petrol stations.

[Archev]

I suspect people had the same fears when petrol cars first became available.

"My horse can travel for days on grass"

Aye and ye canna grow good rhubarb with ice or ev exhaust !?

 

[fnegroni]

Take what I’m saying here with the proverbial and don’t quote me as gospel… but this is what I gather from watching this space. I don’t have inside knowledge this is just speculation.

Oil supermajors literally haven’t got a clue.
They are struggling to figure out where the different markets worldwide are going.
Unless they manufacture their own chargers, the long term vision of DC chargers everywhere isn’t going to make them any money: they don’t build their own chargers and therefore once the market is saturated they have no business in maintaining the infrastructure.
On the other hand, because they are energy companies, they can operate at much larger scale by trading and shipping: so their future could be in the trading, distribution and supply of clean energy; they have huge resources.
Hence why they seem to be keeping on changing their mind: until they have a clear multi decade strategy, they are playing the market but are not yet committed to any particular strategy. And I bet they are spending tens of millions trying to figure out how to outsmart each other.
Naturally, it will be consumers who will dictate what the winning strategy is, and Tesla is playing a major role in this.

 

[DaevM]

Aye and ye canna grow good rhubarb with ice or ev exhaust !?

Speak for yourself. My MG4 pops out unicorn poop which helps grow the most beautiful rainbow roobarb - both flavoursome and pleasing to the eye.
( Think it's incl. with R42 s/w upgrade ??)

 

[Archev]

Talk for yourself. My MG4 pops out unicorn poop which helps grow the most beautiful rainbow roobarb - both flavoursome and pleasing to the eye.
( Think it's incl. with R42 s/w upgrade ??)

I do believe you’ve crumbled ?

 

[Adam C]

Standard price for Sainsbury's is 75p.

That surprises me. I thought they would be a little cheaper than most. In fact the Mer chargers I regularly use are 3p/kWh cheaper.

Well I’m having to rely now on public chargers until we move home next February & I can then have a home charger.

But even using public chargers, I’m still saving a few pennies to what my previous Ford diesel cost me.

Here on the Isle of Wight they say there will be an extra 25 public charging locations by the end of 2025 but to attract more people to EVs they really have to bring the prices down especially for those (& there’s MANY) who can’t have a home charge & will have to rely 100% on public charging.

Slowly it’s moving in the right direction but I don’t think it’s going to happen in the time frame the powers that be are telling us now.

 

[Gadget Geek]

That surprises me. I thought they would be a little cheaper than most. In fact the Mer chargers I regularly use are 3p/kwh cheaper.

I think when more of the different supermarkets have chargers, there will be a price battle like there is with the petrol and diesel. After all, they will have potential customers waiting 20 to 30 minutes whilst they charge. What are those EV drivers going to do? Sh*t, shop, and sit (in the cafe).

 

[GaryMG4]

I think when more of the different supermarkets have chargers, there will be a price battle like there is with the petrol and diesel. After all, they will have potential customers waiting 20 to 30 minutes whilst they charge. What are those EV drivers going to do? Sh*t, shop, and sit (in the cafe).

When the local Sainsbury's installed their new chargers they took out the free Podpoints they had, saved me a fortune as I don't not stop by for a 'free' charge anymore, so it has saved all the coffees and all day breakfasts that I used to buy in order to stay a little longer on the 'free' charger!

 

[Ruislip Resident]

Most people i speak to are afraid of being stranded on the side of the road with a flat battery. Despite the obvious means to avoid this it's still a very prominent and irrational fear.

500 quid will buy you a 2 kWh storage unit to keep in the boot!. Enough to get you 5 or 6 miles to the nearest other place you could charge more from. You might wait for an hour for it to charge though. Not saying I would but its there for those who are irrationally afraid of being stranded.

 

[Adam C]

I think when more of the different supermarkets have chargers, there will be a price battle like there is with the petrol and diesel. After all, they will have potential customers waiting 20 to 30 minutes whilst they charge. What are those EV drivers going to do? Sh*t, shop, and sit (in the cafe).

I’m just hoping there will be a time limit on your charging.

That way the wife have to get a move on & not visiting the same shopping aisles multiple times ??

 

[securespark]

Cant wait to laugh @ their per KWH prices (Robbing gits). Still Loved their “Ultimate “ fuel during my performance engine days ?

Didn't love Formula Shell in the 80s......

 

[Mitch AC DC]

"Gas and oil giant Shell is looking to close as many as 1,000 retail gas stations in the coming years, as it pivots toward deployment of electric vehicle (EV) charging stations." Shell to close 1,000 gas stations to focus on EV charging deployment

What`s wrong with EV charging deployment, being deployed to the 1000 redundant petrol stations.

ps. just remembered what`s wrong with Shell, they are overpriced thieving g*ts. So ignore above comment [misguided]

 

[KMC]

What`s wrong with EV charging deployment, being deployed to the 1000 redundant petrol stations.

Good point. Except for Shells prices!

 

[Archev]

See Shell? Shell sells
ICE Shell which smells
But Shell now also sells
EV Shell, now that’s swell

 

[salty]

See Shell? Shell sells
ICE Shell which smells
But Shell now also sells
EV Shell, now that’s swell

You're a Poet, and now we know it. ??

 

[Mitch AC DC]

I noticed a few days back part of the ground floor of our local Sainsbury car park is closed off, a lot of work being done.

My wife’s friend said they are putting in some public chargers ( I believe I read recently quite a few Sainsbury’s were doing the same ) If this is true I’m hoping they will be a little cheaper than the average ?

SH*T my local Sainsbury, currently FREE charging, suppose this`ll be the end of that! too good to last!. Time to look out for them cheap night rates l keep hearing about???

 

[GaryMG4]

SH*T my local Sainsbury, currently FREE charging, suppose this`ll be the end of that! too good to last!. Time to look out for them cheap night rates l keep hearing about???

That's what they did when they installed their smart charge in Kings Lynn.

 

[Archev]

Oil companies prefer Blue (or Grey) Hydrogen as it a) is derived from hydrocarbons, and b) is (currently) cheaper to produce. Green Hydrogen would be the way to go (as it is extracted from water) but it is (currently) very expensive to produce.

But that's not considering storage requirements etc. which are far more stringent than petrol/diesel and also far more costly (per unit volume).

Not that there's only Blue and Green hydrogen mind.

The hydrogen colour spectrum| National Grid Group

From green to pink hydrogen, we reveal the rainbow of hydrogen colours and the different types of technology used to produce each. Here’s our guide to unlocking the current hydrogen colour code.

www.nationalgrid.com

I had an interesting blather with a guy in San Diego last night. Basically it’s sort of quaint that we’re so interested in evs in UK etc but it’ll never catch on in the USA.
The cars are far too expensive (he drives a BMW monster urban tractor)
The charging infrastructure is useless - there’s only scant coverage up the west and east coasts and odd pockets in between and he was sure it would be the same worldwide.
I tried showing him the Zap map and the Tesla maps with charge stations obliterating the map details but apparently that doesn’t prove anything??
No no, the electric “fad” has run its course. Most folk are patiently waiting for the imminent development of ultra clean hydrogen based fuel which will produce no emissions when used in their standard ice motors.
I pointed out the house along the street bristling with solar panels and a Tesla tethered to a charge point by the garage door. That just proves how useless the whole concept is - “Oh that car sits like that most days” ?‍?‍
I’m seeing Teslas coming out of the woodwork, Kia’s, Hyundai’s et all gliding quietly past. Non descript styled Cybertrucks, beautiful Rivians and F150 Lightnings here and there.
I came out of the car park over by the Target store the other night and found a regiment of Tesla chargers looking over the gas station where I half filled the Ram’s “empties like it’s leaking ?”
fuel tank.

Oh aye - the answer I got when I indicated the house with the panels ?
“Yeah I’ve got panels too but they couldn’t fill a car - it’s much faster to fill up at the gas station when I’m going anywhere” ???

So Mack the Doodle and I continued our walk

 

[Rolfe]

Someone on Twitter the other day remarked that you can hold your breath between Teslas.

 

[Archev]

Someone on Twitter the other day remarked that you can hold your breath between Teslas.

Just !

 

[Rolfe]

This place is certainly crawling with the damn things.