Swap the 18 inch wheels for 17s to increase Range?

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So....
We have both an Essence 77 (aka Trophy ER) and an Elite 51 (SE SR).
I use the 77 around town but its primary purpose is long distance trips around country Australia.
The 51 is used daily by my wife and only around town.
Given I'm more interested in range than "performance" with the 77 I think the smaller rims of the 51 would actually be better on mine than hers.
Has anyone tried fitting the smaller rims of the Elite/SE on an Essence/Trophy?
I know from the brouhaha re Space Saver tyres that the Essence front brake calipers are large, but is that why it has 18s or is it just the "superior" performance?
TIA,
James
 
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Chances are the 17s wouldn't fit over the brake callipers on your ER, especially the front ones.

If I were you I'd check the overall diameter of the tyres on your ER vs the tyres on the Excite ... you may find that there's not much in it, so little or nothing to be gained by swapping. ;)
 
I think the 18” are more about looking a bit fancier. Keep in mind that the overall diameter is different between the 18” and 17” so potentially it could throw out your speedometer. Although we are also curious to see if the car auto corrects as it seems to be using gps in its calculations of speed.


This topic goes on about it after the first few posts.

People tend to find the smaller rims more comfortable because the tyres have a taller sidewall and therefore flex a bit more, but I don’t know if that is a bit of placebo effect.

I don’t know if it will really help with range, although some people are all about unsprung weight and what not, I had a search but can’t seem to find the thread anymore.
 
Chances are the 17s wouldn't fit over the brake callipers on your ER, especially the front ones.
That's what I need to determine by putting our Braumach spare on the SE 51 and then putting the 17" wheel onto the ER 77. I was hoping someone might have done this already to save me the trouble ;)
If I were you I'd check the overall diameter of the tyres on your ER vs the tyres on the Excite ... you may find that there's not much in it, so little or nothing to be gained by swapping. ;)
I don't believe it's the diameter of the tyre as such that determines its efficiency: -

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So... I'm wondering if I can get a meaningful increase in range by using thinner tyres such as the 215/50 R17's on our Excite 51 instead of the 235/45 R18's currently installed on our Essence 77.
If I could get a reliable 450km vs 420km @ 115kmh on the open road that would be worthwhile for my long distance drives between South Australia and New South Wales.
If the 51's tyres will work on the 77 it will be easy to test.
If they don't fit, then I won't bother investigating any more :cool:

I think the 18” are more about looking a bit fancier. Keep in mind that the overall diameter is different between the 18” and 17” so potentially it could throw out your speedometer. Although we are also curious to see if the car auto corrects as it seems to be using gps in its calculations of speed.
I looked into tyre & rim scenarios quite a lot when trying to source a usable Space Saver tyre for our two MG4s, before giving up and just getting the Braumach!
There's a bunch of calculators that make it simple to determine what wheel combos "work".

Here's one: -


Using this you can see that the 215/50 R17 are only a little "smaller" than the 235/45 R18 and would give an overestimation of the speed by only 2mph @ 70mph. Not enough to really cause angst.
That being said 205/55 R17 would be even better still as it only overestimates by 1 mph @ 70mph
If I do find I can run the 17" rims and that there is a material range benefit then when the tyres next needed to be replaced I'd see if they could be fitted (I'm pretty sure they can) to the rims and go that way.
People tend to find the smaller rims more comfortable because the tyres have a taller sidewall and therefore flex a bit more, but I don’t know if that is a bit of placebo effect.
That is of minor interest to me but maybe? I'd be giving up cornering ability and some braking performance for the range benefit so a bit of added comfort wouldn't be a drawback...
I don’t know if it will really help with range, although some people are all about unsprung weight and what not, I had a search but can’t seem to find the thread anymore.
I'm hoping I can provide a real world test...
I'll probably give it a go when I take the wheels off to make it easier to fit my (Aliexpress) mudguards.
 
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FWIW I found my AliExpress mudguards easy enough to fit with the wheels still in place. 🤷‍♂️

Don't be like me and forget about the screw fitting that is underneath. 🤦‍♂️
 
FWIW I found my AliExpress mudguards easy enough to fit with the wheels still in place. 🤷‍♂️

Don't be like me and forget about the screw fitting that is underneath. 🤦‍♂️
Ahh, yes. I've worked out how to fit them with the wheels still on... get a right angle screwdriver ;)
I managed to get one of the front ones on with just a really short screwdriver but even that was dodgy, but the rear mudguards not possible.
Searched for "right angle screwdriver" and sure enough, they exist. Set will be delivered tomorrow. Thank you Amazon Prime :D
 
Ahh, yes. I've worked out how to fit them with the wheels still on... get a right angle screwdriver ;)
I managed to get one of the front ones on with just a really short screwdriver but even that was dodgy, but the rear mudguards not possible.
Searched for "right angle screwdriver" and sure enough, they exist. Set will be delivered tomorrow. Thank you Amazon Prime :D
I knew they existed but hadn't got one so I too went down the Amazon route. Unfortunately I got carried away and got this instead
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I used a set like that, the ratchet made it easy to get the screws out on the back wheel arches. I didn’t have to buy anything new though, I used the set that made up my advent calendar from Kincrome 😅

 
17" rims will not fit ER77, and that is 100% info because I bought 17" rims to fit on my ER77, and found in hard way it will not fit LOL
Don't waste your time and money. ER77 discs and brake callipers are too big to fit any 17" regardless of ET.
 
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Ahh, yes. I've worked out how to fit them with the wheels still on... get a right angle screwdriver ;)
I managed to get one of the front ones on with just a really short screwdriver but even that was dodgy, but the rear mudguards not possible.
Searched for "right angle screwdriver" and sure enough, they exist. Set will be delivered tomorrow. Thank you Amazon Prime :D
The kit I got off Ali came with the appropriate right-angled device, similarly shaped to an Allen key. 🤷‍♂️
 
I am looking to purchase a hybrid essence, and only today looked into this. Firstly the 18inch has a higher wall, if the standard 235/50s are on the rim, as opposed to the 215/50s on the 17 inch rim.

So I think that would give a 35mm lesser diameter on the excite wheel.

That initially would mean that further distances are covered per rotation, which implies initially the potential for greater efficiency. What I can't say is how much extra torque from the engine would be required, which may well nullify the concept.

As for the 17s not fitting, thanks for the heads up, I didn't know that.

Living in the bush, I have shied away from anything over 16 inch previously preferring rubber height to act as an absorber so that my rims are protected, but as the officer in charge wants a MG, a MG she shall have.

Now to find a spare 18 inch rim.
 
17" rims will not fit ER77, and that is 100% info because I bought 17" rims to fit on my ER77, and found in hard way it will not fit LOL
Don't waste your time and money. ER77 discs and brake callipers are too big to fit any 17" regardless of ET.
Even my tire dealer was convinced it should work. Hy tried with the left front but came back crying....
 

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