They prefer their horse and cart! (EV rejection)

[GOMG]

I know I am not the only one who seems to have a pile of middle-aged 'friends' who are all too quick to offer up all of the 'evidence' as to why EVs are a bad idea and their 80 miles to the gallon FF car is much better. Ugh. What do you do? I replied to a 'you can't charge at home so how are you going to charge it' response today with the question - do you plan to have a diesel pump at home? They responded with 'no but it takes 5 minutes to top up!'

Give me strength!

 

[gazza487]

Tell them the cost to charge. About £4 for 200miles. Other than that forget it

 

[Gadget Geek]

I hit them in the pocket and tell them that out of £10 of petrol or diesel, only around £3 of it moves the car. £7 of it is being burnt and blown out the exhaust.

 

[Alb]

Actually, most of that £10 is given to the government in tax!

 

[GOMG]

My neighbour today (one of those who has dissed EVs, as well as Chinese MGs because they're cheap crap apparently) said his Mercedes diesel does 80 to the gallon and he gets 1000 miles from a tank after he's filled it in five minutes.

 

[Ian Key]

More like 5 minutes waiting to pay and deciding which chocolate bar to buy.

 

[salty]

My neighbour today (one of those who has dissed EVs, as well as Chinese MGs because they're cheap crap apparently) said his Mercedes diesel does 80 to the gallon and he gets 1000 miles from a tank after he's filled it in five minutes.

I got a Merc diesel, he's talking shite. ?

 

[Shrink Proof]

My neighbour today (one of those who has dissed EVs, as well as Chinese MGs because they're cheap crap apparently) said his Mercedes diesel does 80 to the gallon and he gets 1000 miles from a tank after he's filled it in five minutes.

He went on to say that the Earth is flat and formica is edible...

 

[GOMG]

I got a Merc diesel, he's talking shite. ?

It's a sixth-generation E-Class (I'll look up which model from the registration plate), which is one of his business vehicles for luxury private hire to and from airports, etc. Apparently, it's £20 a year VED too??? I have no idea. I am not a fan of Mercedes anyhoo.

 

[GranTurismoEra]

I know I am not the only one who seems to have a pile of middle-aged 'friends' who are all too quick to offer up all of the 'evidence' as to why EVs are a bad idea and their 80 miles to the gallon FF car is much better. Ugh. What do you do? I replied to a 'you can't charge at home so how are you going to charge it' response today with the question - do you plan to have a diesel pump at home? They responded with 'no but it takes 5 minutes to top up!'

Give me strength!

Ditch those friends. They're not forward thinking. They also dont understand what works for person doesn't work for others. A lot of petrol heads blame EV for the demise of enthusiast cars. It's clearly not even close to top 5. I predict a new crowd of car enthusiasts who are into EV and alternative fuels/hybrid. The future in hot climates could be ethanol. The European countries will veer towards hybrid and EV.

The hate is fuelled by thought of Ice ban. I could include green climate activism, car population and ownership control, taxation, high running costs, refusal to accept change in strategy and over refinement and technology, lack of sales all for reasons Ice cars are suffering in sales or reducing.

You don't have to love EV, but at least be open minded to choice. The paranoia of people losing the right to drive Ice and enthusiast vehicles such as sports cars is what's driving the hate and misinformation.

 

[Anon70]

It is strange how most folk don't learn from history. The first 50 years of ICE vehicles there was poor infrastructure (how are you going to refuel it with no fuel stations). Strange regulations, the person carrying a red flag in front of you and all the arguments about the impact on a human body at travelling at such speeds.

Same with tech innovations like the internet or smart phones vs non smart.

Some people are ahead of the curve and others wait for things to become mainstream.

As the title of the post implies Horses for Courses

 

[GOMG]

I've snapped a pic of the back of his car to look up what it actually is on the DVLA website and ...

It's an April 2016 E220d with a 1950cc engine. That gets 47.1 - 53.3 mpg WLTP, and the road tax is possibly £20 a year as it is probably an E220d SE 4d 9G-Tronic version with <102g/km CO2 emissions.

it's still an oil burner though! He said his annual servicing costs £1200/year.

Spot on! I've driven everything from my old Rover 100 to a MGB GT V8 and an 'sleeper' Alfa Romeo 164 V6. I am excited to see how an EV changes my life and pushes me into the future with a new love for driving (while I still can as I live with MS).

 

[Rolfe]

Honestly, just ignore them. Sit by the river and the bodies of your enemies will eventually float past. EV uptake is already well past the tipping point. In five years or so they're all going to be looking pretty foolish. Hang on to that thought.

 

[STG]

I have a neighbour who is Anti-Everything and he keeps asking when my EV will catch fire and I how it was a bad financial decision for me to buy Solar Panels etc etc.

He then goes and sulks when I tell him I have saved £100's on Energy and £100's on free charging for the EV because of these silly solar panels over the last few months where as he is paying £250 a month for electricity and £200 a month of Petrol.

I have meet so many people of which about 80% ask questions about the Solar Panels and EV and are impressed, then the others spell doom and gloom for me and never in a hundred years will you catch them using any thing like this.... I suppose they all said the same when television was invented, then also the same when colour TV became prevalent. Their grandparents were also the same ones proclaiming the invention of the Steam Train would suffocate anybody who rode in one and swore blind they would never take Mr Fleming's Penicillin as it was a way to control the population.

On a side note, a person at work 12 years ago got cancer, it was possibly curable but she had to do Chemo however her husband (A NON-BELIEVER IN MEDICINE) said he could heal her as he was a spiritual healer and 3 months later she died and he felt so bad; not because she died, but because his spiritual healing did not work... Dumbass

 

[GOMG]

I have a neighbour who is Anti-Everything and he keeps asking when my EV will catch fire and I how it was a bad financial decision for me to buy Solar Panels etc etc.

He then goes and sulks when I tell him I have saved £100's on Energy and £100's on free charging for the EV because of these silly solar panels over the last few months where as he is paying £250 a month for electricity and £200 a month of Petrol.

I have meet so many people of which about 80% ask questions about the Solar Panels and EV and are impressed, then the others spell doom and gloom for me and never in a hundred years will you catch them using any thing like this.... I suppose they all said the same when television was invented, then also the same when colour TV became prevalent. Their grandparents were also the same ones proclaiming the invention of the Steam Train would suffocate anybody who rode in one and swore blind they would never take Mr Fleming's Penicillin as it was a way to control the population.

On a side note, a person at work 12 years ago got cancer, it was possibly curable but she had to do Chemo however her husband (A NON-BELIEVER IN MEDICINE) said he could heal her as he was a spiritual healer and 3 months later she died and he felt so bad; not because she died, but because his spiritual healing did not work... Dumbass

My self-adopted 'Dad' passed away with Alzheimer's Dementia on top of terminal lung cancer in January of this year. :-(

As for spending money on keep a petrol car on the road ... it feels like dead money and just shovelling it in hand over fist. Meanwhile an EV feels like a much cleaner and more economical choice to me. ?

 

[Ian Key]

My self-adopted 'Dad' passed away with Alzheimer's Dementia on top of terminal lung cancer in January of this year. :-(

As for spending money on keep a petrol car on the road ... it feels like dead money and just shovelling it in hand over fist. Meanwhile an EV feels like a much cleaner and more economical choice to me. ?

Sorry about your self-adopted dad. It's not a nice way to go but at least he's at peace now.

I agree about EVs being an economical choice. I do lots of short trips and an ICE car was never getting warm enough to get anywhere near to being efficient. It was costing 25p/mile in fuel for my 2.0 diesel ICE now I'm only paying 1.9p/mile.

 

[tsedge]

What do I do? Nowadays I simply laugh, shake my head and say "If only you knew!". Then if - and only if - they start asking sensible questions, I give my answers.

My days of trying to convince other people to adopt EVs are over, they'll be along soon enough.

 

[GranTurismoEra]

@STG


I'd avoid people like that. Some people are praying for others downfall. Many people find ways to protect themselves from the "evil eye". For those who dont believe in those things its simple minimize contact with envious people or people with closed minds. Some people appear friendly but are a bunch of wolves in sheep's clothing.

From the first conversation I'd have given him the cold shoulder and kept it moving. Minimizing conversations to a hi and bye. One thing is when i get a new car etc i never go around to show it. I avoid my neighbors as much as possible and move the conversation away from the car. I try not to discuss cars with non car people. As its usually a status symbol for them.

With strangers i answer questions but try not to hang around.

 

[Caramaddy]

An interesting thread. If we go back just before the first Nissan Leaf hit the road, what would most (sensible) people want from a car?
1) Practicality
2) Power - brisk performance - read 0-60 times.
3) Comfortable ride
4) Quiet - Rolls Royce style.
5) Reliability (?)
6) Cheap to run

Going back in time and giving them an MG5 would tick so many boxes in my opinion.

Prejudice is very hard to overcome. I have a similar friend - he did not even want to look at my car when he came round. His loss not mine.

I am not saying the MG5 is perfect but for the money it is hard to beat.

 

[Rolfe]

Word is that 2030 for the ICE ban is back on. Just sit back and wait, they'll find out soon enough.