Which is Greener - Electric or ICE?

[Deleted member 3150]

I will agree on personal ownership of cars in bigger cities. A few of my colleagues in Manchester don't drive and have no need to drive. Where I live though it's a different story, public transport is abysmal. Autonomous taxis might work but not for those living rurally. Working from home needs to be the norm. Covid has proven it's possible for many of us. I'm much happier avoiding a 35-mile commute. reduction is great, i don't think elimination is possible.

2nd point. We (in the uk) already have a reducing population......without migration. In fact, the whole developing world is in the same boat. Africa, and much of Asia are a different matter however.

More than 8 out of 10 people in the world will live in Asia or Africa by 2100

Most of the world’s population growth over the next century is expected to come from Africa.

ourworldindata.org

Good observations. All over the country are disused railway corridors given over to mainly recreational cycle and walk ways. Quick fix possible to join up many rural areas?

 

[marcopolomt]

Good observations. All over the country are disused railway corridors given over to mainly recreational cycle and walk ways. Quick fix possible to join up many rural areas?

will connect some. there are lots of growing villages south of manchester all linked to the city via rail. plenty that arent.

 

[michaelgaunt]

Over the last 6 months I collected a number of links to different 'debunking' type. Sometimes (always?) I use one or more of the links. Not sure we can change anyone's mind, but I feel better anyway. This is my current list:

5 most common myths
The Five Most Common Myths About EVs | Autolife NZ

Are EVs worse for the environment? Engineering explained


What happens to old EV batteries


What Happens to Old Batteries? | NeuroLogica Blog

This Dutch football stadium creates its own energy

Chris Harris on EVs with Graeme Cooper from UK National Grid


EVs emit fewer greenhouse gases even if charged on 'dirty' grid'
EVs emit fewer greenhouse gases even if charged on 'dirty' grid'

One of the Biggest Myths About EVs is Busted in New Study

EVs are cheaper to own than petrol and diesel cars over 7-year period
EVs are cheaper to own than petrol and diesel cars over 7-year period

Funny description of ev driver asking about ice cars

Dirty truth about ICE cars
The Dirty Truth about Combustion Engine Vehicles | An 'Open Source' Animation

Waste from ICE vs EV
Fossil fuel cars make 'hundreds of times' more waste than electric cars

Why BEV better than hydrogen

Battery Electric Vs Hydrogen Fuel Cell: Efficiency Comparison

https://drivemag.com/news/are-hydrogen-cars-better-than-battery-electric-ones

We spend some time in a two-year-old Kia EV with more than 100,000km on the clock. How's that battery holding up?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/evs/125677607/what-is-an-ev-like-after-100000km?cid=app-iPad

OPINION: Far from being to blame for power outages, EVs and smarter technology could soon make the grid even more resilient.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/in...cles-wont-make-the-lights-go-out?cid=app-iPad

Cars abandoned near paris
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/electric-cars-abandoned-france/

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-electric-cars-france-idUSL2N2N60XAhttps://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-electric-cars-france-idUSL2N2N60XA

Rare Earth mining
https://www.seas.harvard.edu/news/2016/06/clean-way-extract-rare-earth-metals

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.estlett.6b00064

https://phys.org/news/2017-10-inexpensive-billion-recover-rare-earth.html

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-...Emission-Solution-for-the-Matawinie-Mine.html

Good Transport Evolved Video


New charge points
British EV charge point firm promises 190k on-street devices by 2030
https://mol.im/a/10175905

Is this electric car charger 'as iconic as Britain's red post boxes'?
https://mol.im/a/10186193