Which? report on MG4 lane keep assist issues reported by This Is Money

[murf62]

Wow. I find this amazing. I myself sent an email to my dealer in August last year saying I felt LKA was dangerous and I am sure many others would have done similar. For MG to say they have no safety related reports is clearly untrue unless none of the dealers fed it back up to them but I'm sure they would have done.

The salesman at the dealer I bought mine from advised me to turn it off unless on the motorway & showed me how to do it.

 

[smartn]

The salesman at the dealer I bought mine from advised me to turn it off unless on the motorway & showed me how to do it.

For me the biggest issue is how difficult it is to turn it off once on the move (I usually remember to turn it off before a journey). The system works best on motorways and should be easy to toggle on/off when required without going through multiple screens. I know there is an update that some have managed to get that improves this a bit but it really should be just one press on a button.

Ideally I'd leave it on all the time and it would actually just work, but clearly that's too much to ask....

 

[Evgen K]

Administrator, could you please merge the threads?

MG4 Lane keep assist

As do I in similar circumstances - something which is now much easier with the option being on the pull down menu (with 1100R33 software). But by default I leave it on.

www.mgevs.com

 

[Tyranuus]

I've responded to both the Which and This is Money articles. No idea if they will respond however.

 

[Deleted member 11291]

Having recently purchased a MY25 Kia Stonic after owning a MY21 Kia Stonic, I can categorically say that Kia have nailed it just right: it was never aggressive on the MY21, in fact a bit too hesitant to engage even on motorways and A roads. Very occasionally it would give a hint of getting it wrong but an ever so slight resistance at the wheel was enough for it to disengage instantly and then re-engage gently.
In the MY25 they nailed it just right: more eager on motorways and A roads, quite decent even on B roads, yet easy to disengage at will.
Plus they still use buttons on the steering wheel for direct on/off without complicated menus.
It is not self drive of the likes of Tesla FSD or Ford Mach-E, but it is the best of the rest.
I so do wish the MG4 had the same system.

Agree. I previously had an EV6 which was also minimum intervention. Biggest benefit was being able to turn off with the button on the steering wheel.

 

[Evgen K]

Agree. I previously had an EV6 which was also minimum intervention. Biggest benefit was being able to turn off with the button on the steering wheel.

Sorry, why have you changed Kia EV6 to MG4?

 

[Deleted member 11291]

Sorry, why have you changed Kia EV6 to MG4?

Hi No problem, my lease was coming to an end and wanted something smaller and faster!

 

[Mannakin]

I've never had an issue with LKA, i suspect that not all cars behave the same.

MG4 Extended range driven on all sorts of roads

 

[smartn]

I've never had an issue with LKA, i suspect that not all cars behave the same.

MG4 Extended range driven on all sorts of roads

If yours is an Extended range I'm guessing this means its a later model with later software and possibly hardware which means MG do have the means to correct this but haven't bothered. In some ways its encouraging that other cars are better, but it shows MG's lack of care for the early adopters....

 

[rjhfandclf]

If yours is an Extended range I'm guessing this means its a later model with later software and possibly hardware which means MG do have the means to correct this but haven't bothered. In some ways its encouraging that other cars are better, but it shows MG's lack of care for the early adopters....

Not in my experience, as I noted a short while ago in another thread [Late winter/spring - first longer trip to South-West France - some observations ...] ...

.... 2. Equally evidently, the LKA system is, quite simply, one of the most dangerous so-called ‘safety’ inventions ever – and particularly so on smaller French roads where it is literally impossible to drive between the often plethora of narrow dotted lines neatly painted all over the roads. It would have you in the ditch or into an opposite car (or both) in a trice. I have been driving for well over 60 years, without a major mishap since I was 18, so I don’t need an insane AI robot to hasten my ultimate demise. It needs to be able to be defaulted to ‘off’.

 

[smartn]

Not in my experience, as I noted a short while ago in another thread [Late winter/spring - first longer trip to South-West France - some observations ...] ...

Even if you are both driving the ER versions your software levels are likely different. This is the problem. There do appear to be combinations that improve things but no one seems to know exactly what.

 

[Evgen K]

If yours is an Extended range I'm guessing this means its a later model with later software and possibly hardware which means MG do have the means to correct this but haven't bothered. In some ways its encouraging that other cars are better, but it shows MG's lack of care for the early adopters....

No! Earlier adopters should request firmware update from dealers. That's all. Car with R46 solves all your problem.

 

[Yorkshire Hillbilly]

Sorry, why have you changed Kia EV6 to MG4?

I changed from an EV6 to an MG4 after it tried to kill me, and my passengers at 60mph on the M1.

The LKA seemed to follow the car in front which was moving from lane 4 to lane 3. However, there was an HGV occupying lane 3 next to me and SMASH! No warnings or handing back of control and the LKA was still active even after the crash.

It was a shame as I'd driven the same stretch of motorway twice before in the same week and it didn't have any troubles at all.

It was beautiful, and my dream car but, ultimately I lost confidence in it and it took 10 months to get parts to fix it. I separated from my fancy wife too and couldn't afford £730 a month for a gadget compared to £320 a month I'm now paying for my orange rocket.

 

[Evgen K]

I changed from an EV6 to an MG4 after it tried to kill me, and my passengers at 60mph on the M1.

The LKA seemed to follow the car in front which was moving from lane 4 to lane 3. However, there was an HGV occupying lane 3 next to me and SMASH! No warnings or handing back of control and the LKA was still active even after the crash.

It was a shame as I'd driven the same stretch of motorway twice before in the same week and it didn't have any troubles at all.

It was beautiful, and my dream car but, ultimately I lost confidence in it and it took 10 months to get parts to fix it. I separated from my fancy wife too and couldn't afford £730 a month for a gadget compared to £320 a month I'm now paying for my orange rocket.

Sorry, am I correctly understanding you, LKA of your previous car, EV6, was the reason for your car accident?

 

[fnegroni]

Sorry, am I correctly understanding you, LKA of your previous car, EV6, was the reason for your car accident?

More likely the LFA (lane follow assist m) which on KIAs can work in absence of clear lane markings by following the path of the car in front.
Either way it’s not something you would expect and you would think the side radars would have detected the other vehicles.
Ultimately the systems have their limits and some bugs still.

 

[Yorkshire Hillbilly]

Sorry, am I correctly understanding you, LKA of your previous car, EV6, was the reason for your car accident?

Yes, correct.

The manufacturer refused to investigate the incident unless the car was returned to one of their main dealerships and the insurance company refused to send it anywhere except their own approved repair centre. Needless to say, the insurance company blamed me, the driver, and it went against my no claims.

 

[Evgen K]

Yes, correct.

The manufacturer refused to investigate the incident unless the car was returned to one of their main dealerships and the insurance company refused to send it anywhere except their own approved repair centre. Needless to say, the insurance company blamed me, the driver, and it went against my no claims.

Understood, I agree it's a terrible situation.

 

[decrep]

Yes, correct.

The manufacturer refused to investigate the incident unless the car was returned to one of their main dealerships and the insurance company refused to send it anywhere except their own approved repair centre. Needless to say, the insurance company blamed me, the driver, and it went against my no claims.

I'd like to think you had some recourse over that ombudsman perhaps?
You mention passengers, could they be witnesses?

Obviously a car fault, Kia should have footed the bill. Seems like the insurance company shafted you

 

[Yorkshire Hillbilly]

I'd like to think you had some recourse over that ombudsman perhaps?
You mention passengers, could they be witnesses?

Obviously a car fault, Kia should have footed the bill. Seems like the insurance company shafted you

Tried all that at the time to no avail... unfortunately, the autonomous vehicles act wasn't signed into law until this year. That little box you tick on the head unit every time says 'you assume all liability over the vehicle'. And let's face it, the insurance companies will shaft anyone and everyone to save a few quid.

The accident team were VERY good at getting me back on my way I'll give them that.
*I had an autistic passenger so was classed as a priority

To add insult to injury, during my 10 months with the hire car, a shitty petrol shoebox compared to the luxurious electric behemoth... someone crashed into me too! When I gave the hire car back I was forced to pay 2 lots of excess before they'd give me my car back. Something to do with the other party's insurer fighting the liability, even though I had an independent witness and the other party admitted liability to us both.

I tried taking the insurance company to the ombudsman over the 'reasonable timeframe' of repairing my EV6 and the fact I was getting (at the time) FREE electricity from the local Lidl Vs having to pay a grand total of £800+ in petrol. The ombudsman threw it out citing the insurance company had complied with 'reasonable timeframe'.

I argued that contract I signed didn't have any allowances for COVID and / or global conflicts (which is what they were using as an excuse for that delay in acquiring parts) but, they still sided with m insurance company. All I was asking for was the difference in petrol monies to comparable electricity costs for the last 6 of the 10 months (£400) but they wouldn't have it.

Anyways, I'm currently having to take my own insurance company to court to get back my own excess payment for the other accident in the hire car. The other party's insurer settled out of court but, they still haven't paid me out, 2 years after the initial accident.

The whole insurance system is a crock of shit. It's been designed by fat cats to get them rich, and it's been approved by fat cats in government who get even richer. Even the ombudsman isn't impartial. It's all rigged so that the peasants have to pay their money to the man for it never to be seen again. It boils my piss!

 

[smartn]

No! Earlier adopters should request firmware update from dealers. That's all. Car with R46 solves all your problem.

I'm already on R46. It's not as simple as that. There are other modules and possible calibration issues as well.