MG5 Trophy Real World Consumption Thread

[szymon]

Here’s a run on the weekend, 147.9 miles and I had 19% battery left when I plugged in (screenshot is from the morning after so it got 5 hours at 8.5p/kWh). Temp was 0C on the run north and 7C on the run home.

 

[cgwhite]

So has anyone had a chat with Trading Standards regarding MG's claim of "up to 250 miles range". My dealer is still advertising to people that the facelift MG5 can do up to 250 miles on a single charge when all the figures are showing that they struggle to do even 200 miles?

 

[szymon]

So has anyone had a chat with Trading Standards regarding MG's claim of "up to 250 miles range". My dealer is still advertising to people that the facelift MG5 can do up to 250 miles on a single charge when all the figures are showing that they struggle to do even 200 miles?

The trouble is we've only seen the cold weather figures so far. What will it be like in the summer, doing 70mph on a motorway? If it doesn't get to 250 miles even in that use case, that's when I'll be on to Trading Standards!

 

[smokie]

LMAO you guys crack me up sometimes

 

[szymon]

LMAO you guys crack me up sometimes

Hmm?

 

[m4rmite]

The trouble is we've only seen the cold weather figures so far. What will it be like in the summer, doing 70mph on a motorway? If it doesn't get to 250 miles even in that use case, that's when I'll be on to Trading Standards!

WLTP range isn't calculated by doing 70mph from 100% down to 0%
Take a look at this at how they arrive to the WLTP(range) figure.

How WLTP range is really calculated - electrive.com

Who offers more range? Renault says the Zoe has a range of 395 kilometres. The Volkswagen ID.4 manages 517 kilometres. And Tesla claims 602 kilometres for the Model 3 Long Range. We know that these distances are possible in favourable conditions. Nevertheless, car manufacturers remain cautious...

www.electrive.com

 

[Les burrows]

This thread is entitled MG5 Trophy range etc. well MG as far as I know have never said the Trophy model will do 250 miles it was said to be Able to do up to 230/235 miles, and it was the MG5 SE that is said will do up to 250miles it has the smaller wheels so not the Trophy model I’m sorry to say.

I’ve been driving my Trophy for around 6/7 weeks now and I’m all but sure come some decent warmer weather the quoted figures for my car will be achievable in the correct conditions but now in a very cold March 2023 I’m happy at around
180 /200 low temperatures mean heaters on etc roll on summer I say and you will get much more.
And remember those all important words used, UP TO
Les

 

[smokie]

Hmm?

It seems to be all about trading standards or litigation these days.

Whatever, this article does some explaining about why even the supposedly-more-accurate WLTP figures are unlikely to be achieved in the real world.

WLTP: can you trust the new fuel economy test? | BuyaCar

www.buyacar.co.uk

The whole thing is worth a read but this bit is relevant here

This means that PHEVs and EVs are subject to the same caveats as petrol and diesel cars, in terms of their real-world performance, with buyers needing to be aware that the same efficient driving strategies will be required to return figures that are in any way close to the official figures.

I'm not sure trading standards will be that interested.

 

[emmrecs]

Slightly OT, but I wonder whether anyone has read this article in the notoriously "accurate" Daily Express, especially this statement:

The five-door hatchback comes with an impressive 281 miles of electric range in the standard model or 360 miles (579km) with the Long Range MG4

I wonder where those figures come from?? It's great to see the MG4 acknowledged by this award, but...??

 

[szymon]

It seems to be all about trading standards or litigation these days.

Whatever, this article does some explaining about why even the supposedly-more-accurate WLTP figures are unlikely to be achieved in the real world.

WLTP: can you trust the new fuel economy test? | BuyaCar

www.buyacar.co.uk

The whole thing is worth a read but this bit is relevant here

This means that PHEVs and EVs are subject to the same caveats as petrol and diesel cars, in terms of their real-world performance, with buyers needing to be aware that the same efficient driving strategies will be required to return figures that are in any way close to the official figures.

I'm not sure trading standards will be that interested.

I meant to type 60mph not 70 but that neither here nor there, the point being that if it can’t reach it’s states number even in the absolute best case condition then there’s actually a reason to complain — right now based on cold weather numbers there’s no way anyone can know what the best case numbers could be…

 

[LeoRBK]

It is best to refer to EV database and all EV marketing should be mandated to use them when selling.

Real Range Estimation between 145 - 310 mi​

City - Cold Weather *	205 mi
Highway - Cold Weather *	145 mi
Combined - Cold Weather *	175 mi

City - Mild Weather *	310 mi
Highway - Mild Weather *	185 mi
Combined - Mild Weather *	235 mi

 

[szymon]

It is best to refer to EV database and all EV marketing should be mandated to use them when selling.

Real Range Estimation between 145 - 310 mi​

City - Cold Weather *	205 mi
Highway - Cold Weather *	145 mi
Combined - Cold Weather *	175 mi

City - Mild Weather *	310 mi
Highway - Mild Weather *	185 mi
Combined - Mild Weather *	235 mi

These numbers for cold weather are weird. My own experience is that city driving in cold weather is much less than 205 miles — more like 140 miles. I think this is because it’s split up into 15-20 miles a day (and that in two trips) so the car has to warm up every time. Perhaps if I were to actually drive in a city non stop for 205 miles it may achieve that, but cities aren’t that high, in mega city one I’d be using a flying car

 

[smokie]

I remember maybe my first car with an instant mpg display was a 3.0l Vauxhall Omega MV6. When cold it achieved under 8mpg for the first few miles, even driven gently. And the two times I took it to nearly 150mph it went quite well below 20mpg. Can't remember what the manufacturer said it would get.

 

[cgwhite]

This thread is entitled MG5 Trophy range etc. well MG as far as I know have never said the Trophy model will do 250 miles it was said to be Able to do up to 230/235 miles, and it was the MG5 SE that is said will do up to 250miles it has the smaller wheels so not the Trophy model I’m sorry to say.

If I get the chance I will send you a photo of my dealers MG5 Trophy facelift demo vehicle which has "up to 250 miles" plastered all over it in big letters. Either they are telling porkies or they mean it! I am sure that we would never get anywhere talking to trading standards but it would give me great satisfaction to see it say "up to 200 miles!" instead. Something near the truth.

 

[smokie]

The figure is quoted throughout MG5 LR sales material so no need for a pic.

Whatever you might think, the WLTP quoted range for an MG5 trophy is up to 250 miles. WLTP is the official international standard way of measuring fuel economy for the car industry. It does run under a standard set of conditions and tests, which may or may not be readily achievable in real life, but it's designed to be more accurate and consistent than the previous measurement, and therefore more useful to the consumer to compare different cars.

I bet there will be someone here before too long who achieves 250 miles, once the warmer weather comes along.

 

[mailmannz]

Well, now the weather IS getting warmer Im starting to get 4 to 4.5 miles to the kWh! Off to London tomorrow so will be interesting to see how I go with a full tank o Juice!

BTW, any notice how heavy the car is with a full battery?

 

[Les burrows]

If I get the chance I will send you a photo of my dealers MG5 Trophy facelift demo vehicle which has "up to 250 miles" plastered all over it in big letters. Either they are telling porkies or they mean it! I am sure that we would never get anywhere talking to trading standards but it would give me great satisfaction to see it say "up to 200 miles!" instead. Something near the truth.

Does not surprise me at all you see with regard to trading standards the get out is ( Up To ) the SE model will do more than the trophy but as Smokie has said above someone somewhere might even get that or more I remember on have about 2years back the early 50kw mg 5 where said to do 214 miles but this chap was well over that in his car turns out he was in a hilly area and was freewheeling a lot of the time downhill crazy thing to do.
When members here post currant journey pictures on here I just take them with a pinch of salt they mean nothing really the figure that tells the real story is the accumulated one on my trophy at the moment 1800 miles in its about 3.6 so if you times that by about the 58 kw total useable battery gives around 208 miles funny thing is when I last fully charged it to 100% the Gom was showing 231 miles but in summer who knows as Smokie said someone will get 250 but as you dealers car says ( up to ) there’s no worries I’m just glad he has not put ( over ) on the side.
Les

 

[Les burrows]

So has anyone had a chat with Trading Standards regarding MG's claim of "up to 250 miles range". My dealer is still advertising to people that the facelift MG5 can do up to 250 miles on a single charge when all the figures are showing that they struggle to do even 200 miles?

Could this be the offending vehicle by any chance
Les

 

[slmorgan42]

#MG5 FL Trophy

Like others in London I have just stated to seeing 4-4.5m/kWh liking this much more.

As for what MG hits this from their website for mixed driving.

 

[mailmannz]

Pleased with this for the return trip last night.

Although on the way down to london I only managed 3.4 miles to the kWh but there was quite heavy weather all the way there with rain, wind and hail!!

And then managed 4 miles to the kWh but probably could have got a lot more because I had the heating on for the return trip (turns out I’m not a double hard bastart when it’s cold ?). The roads were pretty much perfect for the return trip, dry, fast and not a lot of traffic…even in central London.