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GTe would make more sense.Not sure how you can describe any EV as a GTi unless you injecting electrons![]()
GTe would make more sense.Not sure how you can describe any EV as a GTi unless you injecting electrons![]()
Yes, saw fully charged's "review" of this: very clearly a concept car so no real idea what it will be like when launched and what it will actually cost. It only counts when the vehicles is actually available for order and being delivered, in my book.Repeating myself, the X-Power seems to be the performance bargain of the century. It would be nice to see how it compares to other small powerful EVs (smart #1 Brabus, Volvo EX30 Performance).
VW seems to be late to the party (again), with their ID GTI concept.
Why you may not wish to buy an X Power.
The guy is very clear about what he wants and goes into depth why he thinks the ER would be the better car to buy.Watched this - the guy does not know what he wants, or what he’s talking about when it comes to a hot hatch.
He wants it to look like / be a hot hatch, but then grumbles about it being firmer than another version.The guy is very clear about what he wants and goes into depth why he thinks the ER would be the better car to buy.
Now of course what he wants might not be what you want and that's fine.
Yep, thats exactly how I see it, plus the practical 5dr hatch style and AWD.........It’s never going to push boundaries for handling - too heavy / long for that.
But it goes about it’s business pretty damn well and if you want a point and squirt car (see Audi S / RS) that’s electric, with decent brakes and not too much body roll then it’s a contender. Throw in the obvious cost benefit (in particular on a salary sacrifice offer) it’s a great package.........
There is no exact times scales yet for the arrival of the alpine version of the 5 EV and the new VW GTi but exactly like you have said they are making both front wheel drive, will be very interesting to see how they handle with the extra weight, because both of them will be judged pretty harshly if performance and handling doesn't live up to expectations/hype!He wants it to look like / be a hot hatch, but then grumbles about it being firmer than another version.
What proper hot hatch isn’t bone crashingly firm?
For what it’s worth I don’t think this car fits the bill as a hot hatch, the purist in me says that the correct formula for a hot hatch is a short-wheelbase, light, three door hatchback with front wheel drive.
What it is is a (much) faster version of an existing car with uprated suspension and brakes to better handle the speed / acceleration.
Similarly to what Audi do with their S cars (even their RS cars at times).
It’s never going to push boundaries for handling - too heavy / long for that.
But it goes about it’s business pretty damn well and if you want a point and squirt car (see Audi S / RS) that’s electric, with decent brakes and not too much body roll then it’s a contender. Throw in the obvious cost benefit (in particular on a salary sacrifice offer) it’s a great package.
IMO it’s not a hot hatch though. In an electric car that would really take huge investment and starting from scratch - it’s not as easy as it used to be to create that formula as it has been in an ICE car - weight and the ability / willing of the manufacturer to invest enough to balance / neutralise that weight by investing in the chassis is the real problem.
I ordered mine in the essential (and only colour) racing green, and have been quoted November/December delivery slot.I can’t be the only one waiting for this. I thought it might be useful to have a dedicated thread for news and discussion now it has an official UK name at least. I’ll try and collate the salient points from the various threads later in the day.
I’m torn between wanting a unique colour for it in the UK and wanting it to be more sleeper like and understated in a regular colour ?
I think you are absolutely right about "hot hatch" not being the right term.He wants it to look like / be a hot hatch, but then grumbles about it being firmer than another version.
What proper hot hatch isn’t bone crashingly firm?
For what it’s worth I don’t think this car fits the bill as a hot hatch, the purist in me says that the correct formula for a hot hatch is a short-wheelbase, light, three door hatchback with front wheel drive.
What it is is a (much) faster version of an existing car with uprated suspension and brakes to better handle the speed / acceleration.
Similarly to what Audi do with their S cars (even their RS cars at times).
It’s never going to push boundaries for handling - too heavy / long for that.
But it goes about it’s business pretty damn well and if you want a point and squirt car (see Audi S / RS) that’s electric, with decent brakes and not too much body roll then it’s a contender. Throw in the obvious cost benefit (in particular on a salary sacrifice offer) it’s a great package.
IMO it’s not a hot hatch though. In an electric car that would really take huge investment and starting from scratch - it’s not as easy as it used to be to create that formula as it has been in an ICE car - weight and the ability / willing of the manufacturer to invest enough to balance / neutralise that weight by investing in the chassis is the real problem.
I agree with what you both say. The hot hatch formula is not going to work in any car of this weight. I'd say that none of the AMG/RS hatches are hot hatches either. They might be "super hatches" but IMO a hot hatch is a stripped back normal hatchback with more power, better engine and handling that needs to be taken by the scruff of the neck and you can feel it moving under you. My old Clio 182 just dared you to go faster. Maybe if MG changed the software to give another mode that favoured the rear wheels more and allowed a bit of slip before the front motor kicked in to allow you to play then it would work better but with 1800Kg do you want the momentum if it went wrong?Yep, thats exactly how I see it, plus the practical 5dr hatch style and AWD.
Yes, absolutely and this should be easy for MG to change in software updates as they get more experienced with their new 4WD twin motor system.The disapointing non straight line handling comments seem to be around how the car is set up % wise from back to front motors with too much emphasis on the front rather than back. It would be interesting to try one that has been adjusted to more back power.
Agreed and it should be easier for MG to change things as IIRC the original R32 handling was due to the big engine up front and MG just need to change software which I believe would make a big difference.Yes, absolutely and this should be easy for MG to change in software updates as they get more experienced with their new 4WD twin motor system.
People forget that when the Golf R first came out (R32), it had criticism about the handling and it has had years and years of improvement since.
Dealers now seem to be getting Xpower demo cars.Hi everyone
Just monitoring the xpower thread as I have an EX30 Plus performance on order but not yet seen it. However will be viewing a static demo this weekend which is doing a tour of the UK in certain dealers, actual car deliveries not expected until the new year.
If I decide against it, will consider the MG4 again, having cancelled an SE LR earlier in the year due to the various issues being talked about at the time.
If I decide against the EX30 will then arrange a test drive of the Xpower next week to see if I can be tempted back to the fold.
The third "local" dealership for us is Threeways in Abergele.Thanks, Gallaghers were who I originally ordered with, I will try there or Ellesmere Port.