EV opposition in the media is ramping up

[emmrecs]

Isnt that where the apps that are usually a hinderance come in?

For those of us with a pre-facelift MG5 such a dedicated app, or in-car setting, does not exist!

 

[Rolfe]

There should of course be ample provision of chargers rated 150 kw and above. It seems senseless to ban other provision though. People's requirements vary.

 

[OzricEV]

I think the reason more places install 22 or 7kW instead of rapid chargers is the hidden costs associated.

I'm in the middle of having chargers installed for customer use, but even with the government grants, the fact we have an industrial 3phase supply and 100kW of solar, the hoops we'd have to jump through make it prohibitively expensive to install rapids.

Even with the 22kW we are installing, we can open them to the public, but we can't list them publicly on the apps due to the extra requirements from the government to allow it.

 

[Archev]

For those of us with a pre-facelift MG5 such a dedicated app, or in-car setting, does not exist!

Ah but my five is fettled, ready to go,
Where it’ll end up I really don’t know,
I’ll go through Glen Coe and on to the Fort
Then maybe to Mallaig such a fine port
I might catch a ferry, hop over to Skye
I’ve taken the midge creams, you just never know
But the sun screen I’ve left I don’t think I’ll fry
It looks fairly pleasant in western glens,
But there’s snow, ice and gales on top of some Bens.

I think the reason more places install 22 or 7kW instead of rapid chargers is the hidden costs associated.

I'm in the middle of having chargers installed for customer use, but even with the government grants, the fact we have an industrial 3phase supply and 100kW of solar, the hoops we'd have to jump through make it prohibitively expensive to install rapids.

Even with the 22kW we are installing, we can open them to the public, but we can't list them publicly on the apps due to the extra requirements from the government to allow it.

crazy

 

[tsedge]

Started watching it then had to stop. Another couple of twerps who hadn't done their research (or pretended not to). I guess I'll never know if you can have fun in an EV.

Problem is, a lot of people listen to him. He should know better, normally his EV reviews are ok. Obviously track work is irrelevant to most people, but I fear this video will be referred to a lot.

 

[OzricEV]

crazy

Definitely is.

Luckily our main aim is for employee benefit, as even charging 65p/kWh we'd have to have every charger active for a minimum of 9hrs/day to recoup within 5 years.

 

[jackois]

For those of us with a pre-facelift MG5 such a dedicated app, or in-car setting, does not exist!

Gridserve's new app can show how fast you're charging and will message you at 80% battery if you've wandered off. Pretty impressed with it... and with 2 trips to Leeds and back this month, the discount they were offering was welcome!

As for that video... they shouldn't be allowed out without their carers.

 

[siteguru]

?‍

 

[Rolfe]

He has a point about no shelter at charging stations and ultra-heavy cables. But, holidays?

 

[OriginalBigAl]

He has a point about no shelter at charging stations and ultra-heavy cables. But, holidays?

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He has most likely seen your photo and thought , " Look at that poor Lady with her hands on her head, she must have run out of battery".

 

[Bluecar1]

My goodness. The DM is really ramping it up. I continue to fight the good fight on their discussion boards but get absolutely battered with red arrows and abusive comments. I will still keep going though as I believe changing just one person's mind is a success.

yep, all the sensational headlines around cost use worst case public charging costs which most people only use on long runs

the real cost saving is charging at home on a EV tariff, or if you have a solar installation with batteries

then they go on about poor resale values, problem is most 2nd hand EV cars are older models with less range so are less desirable so resale values are lower, but they do provide a cheaper route in to EV ownership if the range is sufficient

I am still at the plugin hybrid stage as waiting for the battery tech and charging infrastructure to mature, another few years, but I can see the benefits of EV driving as most of my journeys are within the EV range of my PHEV

 

[siteguru]

He just can't help himself ... and the Yes Sir sycophants in the comments are just as bad. ?‍

 

[Rolfe]

What is his problem? And why does anyone listen to that monotonous wittering drone?

 

[Gomev]

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I am still at the plugin hybrid stage as waiting for the battery tech and charging infrastructure to mature, another few years, but I can see the benefits of EV driving as most of my journeys are within the EV range of my PHEV

You'll be waiting forever for the new battery tech. Not because it's not coming but because once it's here, then you'll be waiting for the next new battery tech etc etc etc. The infrastructure is fine now, for the number of EVs on the road now. It is expanding as fast if not faster than EVs on the road.
You have to make the leap sometime and with current used EV prices now ain't a bad time.

 

[Gadget Geek]

but I can see the benefits of EV driving as most of my journeys are within the EV range of my PHEV

If most of your journeys are within the EV range of a PHEV, then why not have an EV?

Waiting for better things to come is called "The Munroe Effect". It put an early computer company out of business when they announeced a new model before they'd sold any of the initial model . . . Doh.

 

[Archev]

He has most likely seen your photo and thought , " Look at that poor Lady with her hands on her head, she must have run out of battery".

Nah looks more like Midge Murder Mode to me ?

If most of your journeys are within the EV range of a PHEV, then why not have an EV?

Waiting for better things to come is called "The Munroe Effect". It put an early computer company out of business when they announeced a new model before they'd sold any of the initial model . . . Doh.

I’ve recently been driving to Ardnamurchan, Applecross and the isles of Mull and Skye. I’ve been driving to most of those sort of places all my driving life by motorcycle and vans / cars. I always had reservations and worries about fuel, did I have enough and where could I fill up ?
With my MG5 i recently drove to Skye and back with a Niece on holiday from New Zealand. She was keen to see bits of Scotland.
We left Bo’ness on 100% battery. Lunch was in Fort William while the car topped up to more than we needed to get to the Skye Bridge via the Ratagan mountain and the Glenelg manual turntable ferry (last one still operating on this planet) over to Skye.
The car took on ample at one of the chargers near the bridge while we had a wander and a coffee. That was plenty of power to get back to Fort William and recharge a bit to get home while we had a dinner of haggis and tatties.
Oh and we went in to Eillan Donan castle and spent over an hour there while the car sat amongst the petrol and diesel equivalents doing absolutely nothing like them.
We’d been having a grand tour by the time we got back after something like fourteen hours and over 400 effortless miles later.
At no time were we standing around waiting for the car charging (and certainly not sitting in the car as the sun was out in all her glory)
Range anxiety? no chance.
Time wasted fuelling ? Nope, zero.
Enjoyable trip ? Absolutely - Niece raves about the trip in her messages home and to family worldwide.
Personally, I enjoyed it so much I’ve just done it all again over the last three days camping on the roof of the car. The sun was easily as bright and beautiful but definitely doing the October temperatures now.

 

[GaryMG4]

I am still at the plugin hybrid stage as waiting for the battery tech and charging infrastructure to mature, another few years, but I can see the benefits of EV driving as most of my journeys are within the EV range of my PHEV

If most of your journeys are within the range of a PHEV, just think what you could do with a full size battery (many less cycles on the battery), and better consumption as you wouldn't be lugging the dead weight of the mostly unused ice.

 

[Bam Bam]

If most of your journeys are within the range of a PHEV, just think what you could do with a full size battery (many less cycles on the battery), and better consumption as you wouldn't be lugging the dead weight of the mostly unused ice.

Yeah the use case for the PHEV is vanishingly small.

Maybe people who mostly pootle about locally, but once a year travel thousands of miles without reliable charging infrastructure?

 

[Rolfe]

In that case, hire an ICE car for the long journey. And you better be confident that the availability of fuel for that is guaranteed, in this hypothetical place that doesn't have reliable EV charging.

During my recent pootlings around the north-west Highlands the availability of petrol/diesel seemed better than I had thought it might be. Perhaps the popularity of the NC500 has kept more fuel stations open there than in some other places. But the fact remains that getting liquid fuel in remote places can often be problematic, and even if there is a petrol station it may well close in the evening or at weekends. I did see a couple of unmanned stations with a single pay-at-pump, but that wasn't the norm. (I recall being dead lucky in Braemar in about 2018 that I was able to get petrol before noon on the Saturday, because the little petrol station closed at lunch-time Saturday and didn't open again till Monday morning. I would have been completely screwed, as I had to shuttle backwards and forwards between Braemar and Mar Lodge all weekend, then get to Aberdeen on Sunday evening.)

In contrast every village of any size had an EV charger, sometimes two, and these were available 24 hours a day, seven days a week. (I just checked, and yes Braemar has one.) The two I had trouble with were started remotely by the CPS operator via a call to the helpline. I had no qualms at all about leaving the car turned on with the heater running almost 24 hours in the day, and indeed on one occasion - actually my very first foray - I had the car on continuously (bar a five-hour spell one afternoon) for 43 hours, including two overnight sleeps and driving about 75 miles, between charges. You won't be doing that in a hurry in a PHEV.

All this negativity seems to me to be entirely misplaced. It's absolutely contrary to my own "lived experience", where I've never had to wait longer for a charge than you might wait to get on a pump at a busy petrol station, and that only seldom - usually I just rock up and plug in. The one time I had a bit of a drama was entirely my own fault. I should simply have tried a different card with the singularly terse and uncommunicative Kempower charger in Tyndrum. (Or even phoned its helpline.) Honestly, the whole thing is so divorced from reality that I'm perfectly prepared to believe it is indeed an orchestrated campaign of disinformation.

 

[salty]

Funnily enough my local Tesco,
(East Lancs Rd) where I get my Costa from. No diesel today. ? My house Defo got leccy, though. ??