Simulated gearboxes for EVs

[LenEV2016]

Good News Pal.
And yes they have a gearbox.
Not the traditional type obvs, but a box with gears taking power from the motor to the output shaft.(probably)
Now...... What do you think about the price of eggs?

Gear boxes can be such a piece of work and sadly look like they could be a thing of past, certainly for our generation.
Had a MK2 golf when I was younger car was outstanding, I should have never got another one after that as for years they ruined it, bought a mark 5, the chassis and handling were better but I hated the stupid dsg gearbox, that couldn't compare in anyway to the MK2, boot was crap also couldn't get my golf bag in without taking my woods out or dropping a back seat.
Had an old rx7 and a nissan 200sx which had good gearboxes on them.
Tries a dsg box much later on an arteon it was way better but it still made some daft decisions with gear changes. Could fit my clubs in the back though.

I did read somewhere that someone was trying to develop an ev gearbox that you could change gears on, not sure how I feel about it.

 

[salty]

Gear boxes can be such a piece of work and sadly look like they could be a thing of past, certainly for our generation.
Had a MK2 golf when I was younger car was outstanding, I should have never got another one after that as for years they ruined it, bought a mark 5, the chassis and handling were better but I hated the stupid dsg gearbox, that couldn't compare in anyway to the MK2, boot was crap also couldn't get my golf bag in without taking my woods out or dropping a back seat.
Had an old rx7 and a nissan 200sx which had good gearboxes on them.
Tries a dsg box much later on an arteon it was way better but it still made some daft decisions with gear changes. Could fit my clubs in the back though.

I did read somewhere that someone was trying to develop an ev gearbox that you could change gears on, not sure how I feel about it.

Had a Skoda vRS with a DSG gearbox. Read about it being the Bees Knees. To be honest wasn't keen.
And an EV gearbox, where you actually change gears yourself, nah, not for me.

 

[Archev]

Had a Skoda vRS with a DSG gearbox. Read about it being the Bees Knees. To be honest wasn't keen.
And an EV gearbox, where you actually change gears yourself, nah, not for me.

I think the Smash aliens would be falling about laughing in their metallic way holding gear-levers

 

[ilukey77]

Gear boxes can be such a piece of work and sadly look like they could be a thing of past, certainly for our generation.
Had a MK2 golf when I was younger car was outstanding, I should have never got another one after that as for years they ruined it, bought a mark 5, the chassis and handling were better but I hated the stupid dsg gearbox, that couldn't compare in anyway to the MK2, boot was crap also couldn't get my golf bag in without taking my woods out or dropping a back seat.
Had an old rx7 and a nissan 200sx which had good gearboxes on them.
Tries a dsg box much later on an arteon it was way better but it still made some daft decisions with gear changes. Could fit my clubs in the back though.

I did read somewhere that someone was trying to develop an ev gearbox that you could change gears on, not sure how I feel about it.

the Hyundai ioniic 5 N has a simulated gearbox that it actually feels like your changing gears using paddles on the steering wheel and will hold in whatever gear you put it in which seems like fun from a real drivers standpoint

problem is though it’s slower overall than the 1speed 0-265km which if I remember correctly is it’s top speed..

But I think a clever idea as it puts the fun back into EVs

after driving my Xpower around for the last 6 plus months having actual gears ( even if simulated ) would add a element of fun back into driving a EVs

1 speed 0-whatever gets boring after a while!!

 

[Bricktop X PWR]

the Hyundai ioniic 5 N has a simulated gearbox that it actually feels like your changing gears using paddles on the steering wheel and will hold in whatever gear you put it in which seems like fun from a real drivers standpoint

problem is though it’s slower overall than the 1speed 0-265km which if I remember correctly is it’s top speed..

But I think a clever idea as it puts the fun back into EVs

after driving my Xpower around for the last 6 plus months having actual gears ( even if simulated ) would add a element of fun back into driving a EVs

1 speed 0-whatever gets boring after a while!!

Yep that 5N is definitely on my list.

Best of all worlds.
Nutter and involving when you want it.
Quiet and sensible when you don't.

Just waiting for it to get to 40k.
Circa another year I reckon.

 

[Archev]

the Hyundai ioniic 5 N has a simulated gearbox that it actually feels like your changing gears using paddles on the steering wheel and will hold in whatever gear you put it in which seems like fun from a real drivers standpoint

problem is though it’s slower overall than the 1speed 0-265km which if I remember correctly is it’s top speed..

But I think a clever idea as it puts the fun back into EVs

after driving my Xpower around for the last 6 plus months having actual gears ( even if simulated ) would add a element of fun back into driving a EVs

1 speed 0-whatever gets boring after a while!!

But steep hilly, twisty roads are soooo much more satisfying to drive single speed with a bucket or two of instantaneously available torque

 

[ilukey77]

But steep hilly, twisty roads are soooo much more satisfying to drive single speed with a bucket or two of instantaneously available torque

Yes and no the thrill of shifting though gears bouncing off redlines and holding gears though corners are all a very big part of driver entertainment..

Don’t get me wrong 1 speed no gears instant torque and acceleration is great but I think it gets boring after a while ..

When I first got my 2012 Volvo s60 t6 with the polestar tune it was put into D and go fast after a while I started to shift it into the sports where you can use the shifter to change gears and even though you couldn't really bounce off redlines because it would automatically change to the next gear if held for too long it made for a more entertaining drive every time!

 

[LenEV2016]

But steep hilly, twisty roads are soooo much more satisfying to drive single speed with a bucket or two of instantaneously available torque

I disagree, I enjoy my ev and I'm not going back but I would take my MK2 GTi, rx7 or 200sx over an EV for a proper driving experience. All three would outbreak an ev on roads you describe, far lighter and a lot more nimble

 

[ilukey77]

I disagree, I enjoy my ev and I'm not going back but I would take my MK2 GTi, rx7 or 200sx over an EV for a proper driving experience. All three would outbreak an ev on roads you describe, far lighter and a lot more nimble

That’s the thing the ionic 5 N can’t have a conventional gear box ( obviously ) to use it so it must be purely software so why not add it as a optional extra to all EVs

Would certainly be a nice selling point even if in the case of a MG4 essence if you wanted to have a bit of fun driving your car you have the option to flick it over to a more manual feel even if it was a optional extra for some paddles and software..

All the way to standard kit on the X power though a button!!

 

[LenEV2016]

https://insideevs.com/features/693877/toyota-ev-manual-transmission-tested/

Inside EVs review of manual EV transmission

 

[Tuareg]

Gearboxes on ICEs are only necessary because of the utter inefficiencies of that ageing 'technology'. Far too many moving parts, many of which are simply trying to counteract effects that aren't wanted, I can't wait for all my vehicles to be without the heavy, clanky gearboxes. One of my bikes has a quick shifter, ok but again, a plaster to cover up crappy old gearboxes.

I had a bike with DCT, fantastic, light years ahead of a quick shifter, no clutch lever, great result but again, complicated to achieve. Now I will be getting an EV, no gearbox at all, fantastic, simple, hundreds of moving parts thrown into the bin. Give me a joystick 'by wire' instead of an archaic steering wheel, no archaic floor pedals required either, pull back to accelerate, forward to brake, side ways to turn, no left/right hand drive anymore as joystick replaces where the gear lever is today. Time to move ahead from prehistoric 'tech' which we are still lumbered with today. Where's the semi-active or even fully active suspension on cars? Had semi-active on a bike a few years ago, fantastic and now will be much better. Bring it all on I say and stop holding back because of people who are stuck in the past holding back where we should have been today.

 

[Coulomb]

gearboxes on ICEs are only necessary because of the utter inefficiency of that ageing 'technology'.

ICE engines are inefficient, true. But I would say that the reason the gearbox is so necessary in internal combustion vehicles is the narrow RPM range of reciprocating engines. Just as they are about to get to a reasonable power level, they are at a speed where all those jerking parts are about to fly apart.

 

[Tuareg]

ICE engines are inefficient, true. But I would say that the reason the gearbox is so necessary in internal combustion vehicles is the narrow RPM range of reciprocating engines. Just as they are about to get to a reasonable power level, they are at a speed where all those jerking parts are about to fly apart.

Exactly, power bands highlight the inefficiency of ICE 'tech'. No power band with EVs and full torque from 1 rpm. A gearbox is an unforunate necessity for an ICE due to it's inefficient power production and since most have only driven ICE's they are conditioned to expect the same 'experience' on EVs and moan when they don't get that experience, unlike those with much more open minds to new tech and new experience.

 

[salty]

Each to their own. But I'm well happy with my Warp Speed gear box. Don't need Paddle or simulated gear shifts. And as for Vroom Vroom piped in noises.

 

[LenEV2016]

Happy with my EV as is to be fair no need to over complicate things but I'm also happy to keep my steering wheel and stop and go pedals, would be utter carnage on the roads if they disappear. Youngsters would be fine (the Xbox/playstation generation) but the ageing driver demographic would be banging into all sorts with a joystick, some are bad enough with cars as the are now.

Instead to trying to penalise young drivers and come up with daft conditions on their licence, they should make everyone resit their test and have a proper medical at 70/75 year old I would be surprised if there wasn't a high failure rate.

 

[salty]

Agree, to a certain extent. But you don't need to be in your 70s to be a "bad" driver.
40s 50s younger? I bet people who have been driving for say, 20 years. And took a test, would probably/possibly fail. As they've had 20 years of bad driving habits. It would be very interesting. Particularly if you failed, you immediately don't drive, until you pass. So a bit of pressure.
Totally agree with cars becoming to complicated. Particularly for older drivers.
I bet no one young or older, uses about 80% of the features available on modern cars.

 

[Barrie]

My MG Marvel has a 2 speed gearbox

 

[salty]

My MG Marvel has a 2 speed gearbox

Get you!

 

[LenEV2016]

My MG Marvel has a 2 speed gearbox

Fecking show off

 

[Bricktop X PWR]

I'll never go back to ICE.
The End.

And here speaks a complete petrol head who has owned some fabulous metal over the years.

If I had to pick one, then my old 430bhp Graham Goode fettled Escort Cosworth in the garage?
Abso bloody lutely!

But only for nostalgia and local blasts.
(Oh and shows obvs)

But give me my X Power now, every single time, for any sort of road.
"Have it you'