EV opposition in the media is ramping up

[Archev]

I didn't see that. The video of the incident only shows a couple of seconds of the car smouldering then a few more seconds of the fire crew doing something indeterminate. It would indeed be interesting to know how long it took to put the fire out.

Oh no I’ll have to watch it again later I’m beginning to think I’m even more confusticated than I thought possible.

 

[Rolfe]

Oh no I’ll have to watch it again later I’m beginning to think I’m even more confusticated than I thought possible.

It's 19 seconds long. But perhaps I missed something.

 

[siteguru]

I see that the MGUY Australia muppet has another video uploaded. (I haven't even clicked on it - I know it's all going to be )

 

[tsedge]

I'd love to watch that one too but unfortunately my EV exploded this morning and I am dead.

 

[Archev]

I'd love to watch that one too but unfortunately my EV exploded this morning and I am dead.

Come join me in heaven - I’m in Livingston shopping centre, turned a corner and —-

It’s rather nice

 

[T1 Terry]

Watched a vehicle fire video a few days back, there was a vehicle with a jet of flame probably 20 ft in the air, they claimed it was an EV fire but the shape and height of the flame said it was an LPG valve blowing off excess pressure from the tank .... so it wasn't an EV at all

I put a link up on another thread about an EV deliberately set on fire by punching a hole through the HV battery using a porta power .... they had to cut an access hole in the battery cradle to get the porta power ramp through and a second hole in the other end ... supposedly for a second attempt if the first one didn't work .... but my guess is it was to feed air into the battery fire.

https://forums.aeva.asn.au/viewtopic.php?p=101878&hilit=battery+fire#p101878

The number of times they tried to get the fire going again in the hope the HV battery would go up big time .... in the end, there was nothing else left to burn, so they threw the blanket back over it and the fire went out .... try doing that with a ruptured petrol or diesel tank fire With a diesel truck fire over this side of the planet, they don't even attempt to put the fire out, they are concerned with keeping the fuel out of the drains and waterways where it would creating a fire that can't be contained ......

T1 Terry

 

[OriginalBigAl]

Come join me in heaven - I’m in Livingston shopping centre, turned a corner and —-View attachment 31654
It’s rather nice

Nice car, blah, blah, blah, but who tiled that floor,

 

[Rolfe]

Watched a vehicle fire video a few days back, there was a vehicle with a jet of flame probably 20 ft in the air, they claimed it was an EV fire but the shape and height of the flame said it was an LPG valve blowing off excess pressure from the tank .... so it wasn't an EV at all

I put a link up on another thread about an EV deliberately set on fire by punching a hole through the HV battery using a porta power .... they had to cut an access hole in the battery cradle to get the porta power ramp through and a second hole in the other end ... supposedly for a second attempt if the first one didn't work .... but my guess is it was to feed air into the battery fire.

https://forums.aeva.asn.au/viewtopic.php?p=101878&hilit=battery+fire#p101878

The number of times they tried to get the fire going again in the hope the HV battery would go up big time .... in the end, there was nothing else left to burn, so they threw the blanket back over it and the fire went out .... try doing that with a ruptured petrol or diesel tank fire With a diesel truck fire over this side of the planet, they don't even attempt to put the fire out, they are concerned with keeping the fuel out of the drains and waterways where it would creating a fire that can't be contained ......

T1 Terry

I remember reading an article about Teslas being deliberately set on fire in Germany. They had some actual footage of the arson, from the cars' sentry-mode cameras. The arsonists were lighting twists of paper and shoving them under the wheel arches, on top of the wheels.

The cars burned, but thinking about it later, I'm not at all convinced the batteries burned. There's plenty other stuff in a car to burn, and if the tyres caught then that would make a fine show, but why would a battery that wasn't faulty burn under these circumstances? Same with that car in Aberdeen. I remain to be convinced that that was indeed a battery fire.

 

[SteveRW]

Main story on my local news tonight - EV fire with the destruction of a Mercedes and near spread to house. CCTV of the inferno. The reporting bordered on scaremongering and I can imagine people avoiding parking near EVs. No mention of the rarity of this incident.

 

[Bam Bam]

Main story on my local news tonight - EV fire with the destruction of a Mercedes and near spread to house. CCTV of the inferno. The reporting bordered on scaremongering and I can imagine people avoiding parking near EVs. No mention of the rarity of this incident.

Will this put ill-informed ICE drivers off from parking in electric charging bays?

That might be some small consolation from all the misinformation.

 

[Rolfe]

Main story on my local news tonight - EV fire with the destruction of a Mercedes and near spread to house. CCTV of the inferno. The reporting bordered on scaremongering and I can imagine people avoiding parking near EVs. No mention of the rarity of this incident.

That was actually the Spratton (Northamptonshire) incident discussed above, the one we wondered if it was real because there was little detail and no pictures. The one with the loud bang followed immediately by 20-feet flames. So now we have confirmation that it's real, and some pictures, and the make of the car, a Mercedes EQA.

'Why did our electric car parked in Spratton burst into flames?'

A family wants to know why its Mercedes caught fire despite being parked and not on charge.

www.bbc.co.uk

Sounds pretty scary, and let's hope this time we hear some follow-up and find out what happened.

 

[Bam Bam]

This guy, who I said hi to at Everything Electric the other week, is now doing some debunking videos:

UpsideDownFork

I'm sharing my journey into home renewable technology to help others. I'm a control freak and like to research things to death. Hopefully I can share some of that in depth research through my videos. I aim to offer reassurance that investing in things like solar, heat pumps or an EV are only...

www.youtube.com

It is going to be an uphill battle to put all the BS back in the bottle after its been spread so far by tabloids and grifters.

 

[tsedge]

That was actually the Spratton (Northamptonshire) incident discussed above, the one we wondered if it was real because there was little detail and no pictures. The one with the loud bang followed immediately by 20-feet flames. So now we have confirmation that it's real, and some pictures, and the make of the car, a Mercedes EQA.

'Why did our electric car parked in Spratton burst into flames?'

A family wants to know why its Mercedes caught fire despite being parked and not on charge.

www.bbc.co.uk

Sounds pretty scary, and let's hope this time we hear some follow-up and find out what happened.

Yes, let's hope for a thorough investigation.

If only the same press attention occurred every time an ICE car went up in flames, but it is so common it is just accepted.

 

[OriginalBigAl]

Reading the printed report, it all sounds pretty factual and fair, and reflects that family's devastating experience. BEVs will go wrong like all vehicles and that cannot be swept under the carpet as nonsensical. At the end the Fire Brigade said in their own figures that around 1% of car fires had an electric (Hybrid/BEV) element to them. This is well below the percentage of of our chosen mode of transport on the road and that most likely reflects the reality of the situation. If we want a sensible discussion on EV adoption then we have to fight back against the stupid but accept the unfortunate realities that for yet unknown reasons these events can happen and not bash the reporters for saying so. Today's style of news reporting always has to have an emotional, hand-wringing tilt to it, no matter what the subject, with sympathetic voice-overs of which the BBC is particularly culpable, that I find condescending, and that then unfortunately paints over the actual story.

 

[salty]

Agreed, of course EVs can catch fire. No one is disputing that at all. But the way it's reported in the Media, is EVs are the ONLY vehicle that ever catches fire. That's what pisses people off.

 

[Rolfe]

The account of a loud bang followed almost immediately by 20-foot-high flames is frightening, and very different from how most EV fires seem to play out, so I'd really like to know what caused it.

It's unfortunate that the fire brigade lumped EVs and hybrids together, because hybrids catch fire even more frequently than pure ICE cars, and it would have been helpful to disaggregate that.

The picture is rather puzzling because all the damage seems to be at the rear of the car. It looks as if the charging port door has been blown off and an aero wheel trim has come off. But the front two-thirds of the car looks undamaged. It doesn't make sense to me that that was the battery. Anyone have any ideas?

 

[Gadget Geek]

Yesterday, the Friday where half term holidys started, a lorry caught fire on the M5 southbound between Burnham on Sea and Puriton. I had a look at the motorway cameras, and there were 3 lanes of standing traffic at Burnham, all the way up to Weston super Mare. Because it used fossil fuel, the fuel spread across the whole carriageway. You wouldn't get that with a battery fire.

M5 traffic: Motorists face severe delays after blaze breaks out near Burnham

The M5 in Somerset has reopened after an earlier lorry fire closed all lanes.

www.bbc.co.uk

M5 fully re-opens after lorry fire between Burnham-On-Sea and Bridgwater

The M5 motorway has re-opened between Burnham-On-Sea and Bridgwater after a lorry fire shut it for several hours on Friday (October 25th), causing long delays.

www.burnham-on-sea.com

 

[tsedge]

Yes, this is the big problem, no sense of proportion:

• Hybrid vehicles: 3,474.5 fires per 100,000 sales
• ICE vehicles: 1,529.9 fires per 100,000 sales
• EVs: 25.1 fires per 100,000 sales

Source: Allied World Insurance.

Relative rates:

• Hybrid:EV => 138.4:1
• Hybrid:ICE => 2.3:1
• ICE:EV => 61.0:1

But where is the outrage about Hybrids, the campaign to ban them?
Why aren't they running stories about how fire prone ICE cars are compared to EV?

The lack of data driven perspective is preposterous and highly misleading.

 

[salty]

Yes, this is the big problem, no sense of proportion:

• Hybrid vehicles: 3,474.5 fires per 100,000 sales
• ICE vehicles: 1,529.9 fires per 100,000 sales
• EVs: 25.1 fires per 100,000 sales

Why aren't they running stories about how fire prone ICE cars are compared to EV?

Ignorance, Stupidity, Shit stirring Media and amateur, not a got a ******* clue,
you tubers. Who are seemingly all believed.

 

[Gadget Geek]

Yep, without data all we have is non factual based opinions. Adding up all the incidents, it appears that 201.7 vehicles carrying flammable fuel caught fire for every EV fire.