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It’s a useful group the CEO of Tomato is on there too.
So by using facebook John you have introduced as bias to your survey, as not all converts will be Facebook users!

Look hard enough and we can always fine the results WE want? (said in jest :ROFLMAO: )
 
So by using facebook John you have introduced as bias to your survey, as not all converts will be Facebook users!
I dont see how it affects the results really, it was more to confirm my gut feeling in response to Gomev's sarcastic accusation "'Im sure you have some factual basis for that statement other than everybody that you have converted.".

Look hard enough and we can always fine the results WE want? (said in jest :ROFLMAO: )
Aye, non so blind as the ones that dont want to see, some people still recommend British Gas and we all know thats madness (not said in jest :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:)

So, with no gas standing charge, having an induction cooker, and a Tepeo Zero Emmission Boiler, I have saved £119.57 in one month!
So youre happy with the ZEB? I have looked at the Tepeo from their release, they still feel my house is too big, too many rads. Looking at my gas consumption and monitoring when I run my heatpump would suggest theyre wrong but its almost impossible to reason this out with Tepeo so Im sticking with Gas + Heatpump at the minute.
 
So youre happy with the ZEB? I have looked at the Tepeo from their release, they still feel my house is too big, too many rads. Looking at my gas consumption and monitoring when I run my heatpump would suggest theyre wrong but its almost impossible to reason this out with Tepeo so Im sticking with Gas + Heatpump at the minute.
It's early days yet with the ZEB, and I'm still learning how to use it to it's best abilities. I'm using it with a Drayton Wiser Hub, which controls the ZEB very effectively. The radiators selected, get hot very quickly and then the ZEB reduces its output accordingly depending on how many radiators are on and what temperatures they are set to.

My old Potterton gas boiler used to fire up and stay fired up until the Hub switched it off, regardless of the different number of radiators and their settings.

I've got some experimental routines set up in Alexa, which are varying the on and off times of individual radiators to get maximum efficiency and I'll report back on those.

There are a couple of things I personally would have done differently if I were designing it, the main one being it charges at 9kW, and 9kW only; which means I cannot top it up during the day from my battery, as the inverter only outputs 4.5kW. Fortunately, Tomato do the 13p/kWh between 09:30 and 11:30, so I can use some of the battery and some "semi" off peak. This has only been an issue during the couple of cold nights where the temperature went below zero and I had the heating on low through the night.

Which brings me on to the second issue. If you have the heating on through the night, whilst the ZEB is charging, it does not reach 100% capacity by 06:00 in the morning, which means you start the day with less than you expected and instead of range anxiety, you get heat anxiety, am I going to have enough to get through the day.

I'm working on an Alexa routin to just keep the bedrooms at night at a comfortable temperature with the radiators turnd off at regular intervals to allow the ZEB to charge up. Again, I'll report back when I have some data.

On the whole though, very pleased with the ZEB, it's a great improvement on my gas boiler. Also, Tepeo have a solar diverter in beta testing which is doing well apparently, and I've put my name down for one of those. Hopefully, they'll listen to a bit of feedback about charging from a battery as well.
 
Tomato Lifestyle Tariff with 2 hour boost at 09:30 and at 22:00 (13.7p) sounds ideal for this along with it's 5p from 00:00 to 06:00.
I've worked out two schedules for Alexa which make the most of the ZEB's capacity. All the radiators, at different temperatures, come on first thing in the morning for an hour to warm the house before we get up. Then every hour, the radiators in occupied rooms switch on for an hour. Late evening, the bedrooms warm up ready for when we go to bed.

Overnight, the bedroom radiators come on low every 2.5 hours just to take the chill out of the air. During the 2.5 hour gaps, the ZEB charges up on 5p electricity. :)
 
Then every hour, the radiators in occupied rooms switch on for an hour.
Why not just leave them on?

Overnight, the bedroom radiators come on low every 2.5 hours just to take the chill out of the air. During the 2.5 hour gaps, the ZEB charges up on 5p electricity. :)
Does the ZEB not have the ability to charge the core whilst still giving out some low temperature flow to rads?
 
I've worked out two schedules for Alexa which make the most of the ZEB's capacity. All the radiators, at different temperatures, come on first thing in the morning for an hour to warm the house before we get up. Then every hour, the radiators in occupied rooms switch on for an hour. Late evening, the bedrooms warm up ready for when we go to bed.

Overnight, the bedroom radiators come on low every 2.5 hours just to take the chill out of the air. During the 2.5 hour gaps, the ZEB charges up on 5p electricity. :)

Impressively worked out. But couldn't be arsed with that. 🙄🙂
 
Why not just leave them on?


Does the ZEB not have the ability to charge the core whilst still giving out some low temperature flow to rads?
Leaving the heating on low continuously, uses more stored heat than having them switch on and off each hour. The heat loss is then balanced by the heat input.

The ZEB does charge whilst discharging, but it's like trying to fill a barrel with the tap open. Overnight, with the heating on continuously, it doesn't fill the ZEB enough to get you through the day. With everyone in bed, nicely wrapped up in duvets, the rooms at night can be a bit cooler, but not uncomfortably so.

I've set the ZEB charging times to coincide with the off peak Tomato hours, and it seems to be running like clockwork now.

A bit of a faff to set up I know, but with my Asperger's, I like solving little puzzles like this. :)
 
some people still recommend British Gas and we all know thats madness (not said in jest :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:)
But interestingly Octopus now have more complaints per customer than British Gas...



The SMART meter targets are also interesting to compare


 
But interestingly Octopus now have more complaints per customer than British Gas...
I can believe that but it doesnt set any bar really, it just means Octopus have plummeted below the worst in the chart :) Its often said that those that put themselves on pedestals need to watch their step!!
 
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I dont see how it affects the results really, it was more to confirm my gut feeling in response to Gomev's sarcastic accusation "'Im sure you have some factual basis for that statement other than everybody that you have converted.".

Yes it does greatly. Like counting who support cable by going to a working mans club (no affines meant to this who attend WMCs)
Aye, non so blind as the ones that dont want to see, some people still recommend British Gas and we all know thats madness (not said in jest :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:)
LOL... John the tides of change...one minute all for Octopus, and now Tomato... who tomorrow?
I'm sticking with BGas at 3.9p/kWh for my off-peak charging, maybe madness, but its costing me less !
 
Yes it does greatly. Like counting who support cable by going to a working mans club (no affines meant to this who attend WMCs)
I really dont see any such connection / influence.

LOL... John the tides of change...one minute all for Octopus, and now Tomato... who tomorrow?
Aye, speak as I find.

I'm sticking with BGas at 3.9p/kWh for my off-peak charging, maybe madness, but its costing me less !
I thought you had free charging from BG following the disaster they had with Hive chargers etc? 3.9p does seem a very good price, whats the standing charge and peak rate?
 
Looks like TE have got the billing cycle sorted. Got my December bill yesterday 3rd, paying on the 10th from account.

But, my son who has a SMETS1 meter still has not got one. Into month 3 now, so a slight discount when it does come.

Has anyone with a SMETS1 meter had a bill yet?
 
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