Charging power is only 3kW

OK, I see. I think. So the public type 2 chargers work a different way then? So that I can get 5.5 Kw on an SR?
Yes.
You're using 22kW 3-phase (3x 32A = 3x 6.6kW max), and your SR only sees one of those phases.

The limiting factor for him is that his home charger is configured to run at 11kW (3x 16A = 3x 3.6kW max).
 
not 3 times as root 3 and PF need to be taken into account.
It is the square root of 3 which is 1.732 and it is cos ? which you dismiss as you use 1. Power factor is taken into account i.e. generators etc.
 
There are pins.
There are two dummy pins for the non-used phases in the car's charge port socket. Only one phase has an actual conductor which supplies the on-board single phase charger. They use the same socket design for single and 3-phase, just change the number of active pins in use.

You have unfortunately been sold the wrong charge station for your vehicle, and given it's an MG branded one that's possibly a dealer error which they really should come to the party to help correct. Unless you insisted you knew better by ordering the 11 kW 3-phase charger.

To charge at your car's full rated AC power capacity you either need a 22 kW 3-phase charger (which is overkill for this car but you may have other vehicles which can take advantage) or a single phase charger capable of delivering 7 kW. Either will require wiring and breakers etc suitable to carry the higher currents.

Your current charge station will still work but your charging will always be limited to 3.x kW. For many people that's going to be adequate most of the time but if you want/need to charge at the car's full rate then you'll need a different charge station.

The only MG 4 with 3 phase charging capability is the Essence 77 Long range.
Yep, that correct for Australian models.

OP quoted an Australian model name and their profile shows they are located in Perth, Western Australia.

Some of the equivalent 64 kWh models in Europe do have 11 kW 3-phase chargers.

Separate comment:
I'm not sure about WA, but there are some restrictions on installing EV charge stations in QLD (which many ignore) - any single phase charge station above 20 A is supposed to be on a separately metered controlled load circuit only. It's dumb in many ways, but mainly because that immediately prevents consuming your own solar PV.

What is confusing me is why he's only getting 3 Kw though.
The car may be using some of the available power for other things, like charging the 12 V battery.
 
I did charge the car in public charging station & it’s super fast. I didn’t check how much I was getting but the car was charged to 20%-80% within an hour
That would be a DC rapid public charger, rather than an AC charger, using the two extra pins at the bottom of the charging port. DC charging is very fast compared with AC. DC is great for topping up on long journeys, and AC is best for long term battery health. There's lots of information on here on the pros and cons of both, along with balance charging.
 
On one occasion I was on a PodPoint which was said by the owners to give quite low charging speeds, but when I plugged in I was getting 5.5 Kw and that didn't go down when a Leaf came and plugged in to the other connector on the same post. I don't honestly know how any of this works!
 
On one occasion I was on a PodPoint which was said by the owners to give quite low charging speeds, but when I plugged in I was getting 5.5 Kw and that didn't go down when a Leaf came and plugged in to the other connector on the same post. I don't honestly know how any of this works!
That is not that difficult. Probably it was 22Kw charger what is using phase rotation. Then you both have about 7Kw available.

And yes, here in NL we get MG4 delivered with 3 phase chargers.
 
On one occasion I was on a PodPoint which was said by the owners to give quite low charging speeds, but when I plugged in I was getting 5.5 Kw and that didn't go down when a Leaf came and plugged in to the other connector on the same post. I don't honestly know how any of this works!
I did a bit of a shop and had a bite of lunch at Tesco south Queensferry today. I plugged in to a Podpoint and it started charging fine. When I came out the charger indicator was red and there was a Cupra at the other side indicating green (as mine was when I left it.)
Just checked the stats in the app and I had 6.8 kWh over 1.51 hours at £2.99 so it must have gone off when the Cupra plugged in ??
I finally got my supply of oatcakes replenished - I set off to get some yesterday so as to drive a little to reduce the battery charge a bit after the 100% balancing charge yesterday morning but I overshot Tesco’s a wee bit and ended up 20 odd miles further on in Peebles. So lunch became two emergency ration Satsumas and a drop of the water of life - no not that one - just clear Deeside water from the iron rich Pannanich wells near Ballater (used to be a roadside spring with a cup on a chain for the weary travellers but the land owner seems to have cottoned on and now sells it)
So the car now sits with 72kW, (about 170 miles on eco says GOM) which is ample to escape tomorrow to meet up with daughter and dog for dinner at Toby’s in Bathgate with their 50% off offer.
That’s the second time I’ve charged the car away from home this year I think and I only tried it to make sure the app or card works OK.
 
Peebles? Where were you actually shooting for?

Anyway, these are the chargers I was getting about 5.5 Kw out of on my SR.

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That's the sum total of my experience with type 2 chargers, but I was getting 5-point-something from all of them, rated 7 Kw, which seemed reasonable to me.
 
Peebles? Where were you actually shooting for?

Anyway, these are the chargers I was getting about 5.5 Kw out of on my SR.

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That's the sum total of my experience with type 2 chargers, but I was getting 5-point-something from all of them, rated 7 Kw, which seemed reasonable to me.
Aye that was a bit better than I had - I seemed to be getting 4.5 or so whilst it charged. I don’t know if it went off when the other person plugged in or if there was some glitch with my car or my half of the charger but thankfully I was not needing more of a charge.
I thought I might see an old neighbour who now lives in Peebles but no sign of him. Lovely run though, first I’ve been there since before the plague began and I stopped working. Used to be down that road at least once a week with all the new builds out at Kittlegairie Etc.
 
It's always a nice drive whichever way you come at it.

On the Manor Road and the Cambridge Street chargers I had the post to myself. But on the Glyndebourne one I went back to the car before the performance to change my shoes, and discovered a Leaf plugged in to the other connector on the post. I was a bit cross because there were still quite a few unoccupied posts in the car park (they have 16 posts altogether), and I thought my charging speed would slow. I wanted to go to 100% and balance in preparation for driving back to Scotland the next day. But when I checked the app my finish time hadn't shifted and the car was still lapping up 5.5 Kw or so, so I was happy enough.
 
It's always a nice drive whichever way you come at it.

On the Manor Road and the Cambridge Street chargers I had the post to myself. But on the Glyndebourne one I went back to the car before the performance to change my shoes, and discovered a Leaf plugged in to the other connector on the post. I was a bit cross because there were still quite a few unoccupied posts in the car park (they have 16 posts altogether), and I thought my charging speed would slow. I wanted to go to 100% and balance in preparation for driving back to Scotland the next day. But when I checked the app my finish time hadn't shifted and the car was still lapping up 5.5 Kw or so, so I was happy enough.
I don’t know why folk like to do that when there’s plenty of chargers or parking spaces etc ?‍♂️
 
I can only imagine they don't realise, because obviously it could affect their charging speed too.

I was one of the first people to arrive looking for a charger, as it was my first visit and I was excited to see the venue. The car park attendant just told me to take any connector I fancied - EV drivers are invited to reserve a charger in advance if they want one, and there was some indication that connectors would be pre-allocated, but in fact that didn't happen, presumably because relatively few EV drivers had indicated they wanted a connector relative to the number available (32). So I just reversed into the first one in the row.

Mistake. On my right was a shrubbery. On my left was the parking space for the other connector on my post. I should have taken that space, so that anyone wanting the other connector (the one I chose) would have had to reverse in carefully between me and the shrubbery. Probably not worth the effort if there are plenty other spare posts. But in fact it didn't seem to make any difference and the car had finished its balance charge by the time I was ready to leave.
 
I can only imagine they don't realise, because obviously it could affect their charging speed too.

I was one of the first people to arrive looking for a charger, as it was my first visit and I was excited to see the venue. The car park attendant just told me to take any connector I fancied - EV drivers are invited to reserve a charger in advance if they want one, and there was some indication that connectors would be pre-allocated, but in fact that didn't happen, presumably because relatively few EV drivers had indicated they wanted a connector relative to the number available (32). So I just reversed into the first one in the row.

Mistake. On my right was a shrubbery. On my left was the parking space for the other connector on my post. I should have taken that space, so that anyone wanting the other connector (the one I chose) would have had to reverse in carefully between me and the shrubbery. Probably not worth the effort if there are plenty other spare posts. But in fact it didn't seem to make any difference and the car had finished its balance charge by the time I was ready to leave.
Intriguing notion that “reserving a charger” I like it. I’ve never heard of a petrol or diesel pump reservation ?
 
I would think it might happen at hotels, too.

I was pleased to see that option, because I was wondering how early one might have to show up to get on a charger. But there were 32 connectors and in the event I don't think half of them were taken. That's bound to change though, and then it will be good to know you're carrying a piece of paper saying you have pre-booked a space.
 
The type 2 standard has several communications protocols associated with it that tell the onboard charger in the car how much power it take so that it doesn't melt the cable or set fire to things.

With a tethered charger (attached cable) the cable should be capable of taking the maximum current that the charger can take. With an untethered unit, the type 2 cable has a built in resistance that identifies the current capacity so if you plug a 16 A cable into a 32 A charger you only get half the possible charge rate. i.e. 3.5 ish compared to 7kwh.

The next thing is 1 or 3 phase. A 3 phase charger will supply three separate supplies which triples the total power it can supply. A bit like three granny chargers in parallel. This assumes that the cable connecting the car has three power cables instead of one and more importantly the wall charger has three phase power going in. Most houses have only a single phase and installing a 3 phase charger is a waste as only one phase will have power. This means that a 11kw 3 phase charger will act like a 3.5kw single phase charger.

So the charger on the wall must have the right number of phases, the right current supply and the right cable to get the maximum out of wall charger box. If any or more of these are not right the car will charge but at a lower rate, depending on the situation.

Finally there is another parameter called the control pilot which is used to tell if the car is connected, ready to charge so please switch on the AC and finally how much current can be supplied by the wall charger. This can also change and the car must not take more power than it has been told. If it does, the wall charger will disconnect the AC and stop the charge. This is also used to balance charging loads with public chargers. This signal is (should) be used to stop the car charging before the mains is switched off and the plug removed.

There is also another complication and that is whether the house has a looped AC mains feed. A bit like a shared party line from telephone days of yore! Some chargers have load monitors to make sure the load on the looped supply is not exceeded and will adjust the charging power accordingly by using the control pilot signal. This will also reduce the power that the wall charger can supply.
 
The type 2 standard has several communications protocols associated with it that tell the onboard charger in the car how much power it take so that it doesn't melt the cable or set fire to things.

With a tethered charger (attached cable) the cable should be capable of taking the maximum current that the charger can take. With an untethered unit, the type 2 cable has a built in resistance that identifies the current capacity so if you plug a 16 A cable into a 32 A charger you only get half the possible charge rate. i.e. 3.5 ish compared to 7kwh.

The next thing is 1 or 3 phase. A 3 phase charger will supply three separate supplies which triples the total power it can supply. A bit like three granny chargers in parallel. This assumes that the cable connecting the car has three power cables instead of one and more importantly the wall charger has three phase power going in. Most houses have only a single phase and installing a 3 phase charger is a waste as only one phase will have power. This means that a 11kw 3 phase charger will act like a 3.5kw single phase charger.

So the charger on the wall must have the right number of phases, the right current supply and the right cable to get the maximum out of wall charger box. If any or more of these are not right the car will charge but at a lower rate, depending on the situation.

Finally there is another parameter called the control pilot which is used to tell if the car is connected, ready to charge so please switch on the AC and finally how much current can be supplied by the wall charger. This can also change and the car must not take more power than it has been told. If it does, the wall charger will disconnect the AC and stop the charge. This is also used to balance charging loads with public chargers. This signal is (should) be used to stop the car charging before the mains is switched off and the plug removed.

There is also another complication and that is whether the house has a looped AC mains feed. A bit like a shared party line from telephone days of yore! Some chargers have load monitors to make sure the load on the looped supply is not exceeded and will adjust the charging power accordingly by using the control pilot signal. This will also reduce the power that the wall charger can supply.
Very well explained.
 

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