Does it come with a granny charger?

[peterseddon]

Just spoke to dealer, the motor comes with both cables, 3pin and type2. ? ??

The dealer must be chucking it in as a freebie as the web site doesn't mention a type 2 as standard equipment.

 

[m4rmite]

Yes I'm stuck with the "granny" charger for some time to come as our house supply is looped to next door and the DNO wont allow an EV charger to be installed until the next door is un-looped so the extra kW would be most welcome. Still I seem to be managing up to now charging overnight at off peak rates. Just need so constant sunshine so I can put some free electrons into the battery as well.

I'm on a looped supply and the electrician advised they wouldn't be able to fit an ev charger.
I asked i if i could have a cee socket fitted, they duly agreed and fitted one.

I can choose from 6,10,16, or 32amp on the charger, i normally leave it overnight on 16a as that's enough to go from 20 -100%.

Only me and the wife at home so chose to charge when no cooker or shower on anyway.

 

[Lovemyev]

I'm on a looped supply and the electrician advised they wouldn't be able to fit an ev charger.
I asked i if i could have a cee socket fitted, they duly agreed and fitted one.

I can choose from 6,10,16, or 32amp on the charger, i normally leave it overnight on 16a as that's enough to go from 20 -100%.

Only me and the wife at home so chose to charge when no cooker or shower on anyway.

What size is your main DNO cut out protection fuse rated at ?.
I am going to assume 60 Amps ??????.
As you are on a looped supply.
Have you spoken to your DNO regarding getting "Un-looped".

 

[peterseddon]

I'm on a looped supply and the electrician advised they wouldn't be able to fit an ev charger.
I asked i if i could have a cee socket fitted, they duly agreed and fitted one.

I can choose from 6,10,16, or 32amp on the charger, i normally leave it overnight on 16a as that's enough to go from 20 -100%.

Only me and the wife at home so chose to charge when no cooker or shower on anyway.

Yes I've got one of these chargers, just need to get a dedicated circuit installed to power it. Sounds like the one I have, got it from thirdrock energy.

 

[peterseddon]

What size is your main DNO cut out protection fuse rated at ?.
I am going to assume 60 Amps ??????.
As you are on a looped supply.
Have you spoken to your DNO regarding getting "Un-looped".

The fuse was checked when I had my smart meters fitted and surprisingly it's 100A. I've not contacted the DNO yet though.

 

[Lovemyev]

The fuse was checked when I had my smart meters fitted and surprisingly it's 100A. I've not contacted the DNO yet though.

You are not on a looped supply then surely Pete ???.
Not with a 100 Amp cut out fuse ????????.

 

[peterseddon]

You are not on a looped supply then surely Pete ???.
Not with a 100 Amp cut out fuse ????????.

Yup I am, there is a second cable from the incomer that comes out of the bottom of the DNO fuse unit and goes through the connecting wall to next door.

 

[m4rmite]

Yes I've got one of these chargers, just need to get a dedicated circuit installed to power it. Sounds like the one I have, got it from thirdrock energy.

Third rock is where i got one as well.
And yep a dedicated circuit fitted.

 

[m4rmite]

What size is your main DNO cut out protection fuse rated at ?.
I am going to assume 60 Amps ??????.
As you are on a looped supply.
Have you spoken to your DNO regarding getting "Un-looped".

100amp supply, built in the 60s.
My neighbour is due a car change soon and he's an accountant.
If he thinks he can save a penny my money is on an ev.
The reason i say this is his house feeds from mine, his drive will need digging up for his own unlooped feed.
It's always easier when a neighbour wants the same thing as you as no convincing is needed.

 

[Lovemyev]

Yup I am, there is a second cable from the incomer that comes out of the bottom of the DNO fuse unit and goes through the connecting wall to next door.

Well, there you go !.
IF you are looped with next door and you are BOTH running on a 100amp cut out fuse, then either the incoming cable has enough carrying capacity to be able to carry enough load, to support the use of a these large fuses of that size, or somehow the protection rating has been set too high ?.
This could be a danger if you placed a large demand on the system ?.
A call to your DNO and a house inspection would provide the answer.
Taking a step closer to a wall box ???.
We have had our main cut out fuse upgraded from 60 amps to 100 Amps only a few weeks ago, by my request.
We are NOT on a looped system, house built in 1982.
We have been running on a 60 Amp fuse and a 7.0 Kw wall box for over five years, with out any problems.
You just have to be sensible on how much load you ask the fuse to take at any single time.
If you where charging and using a 7.0 Kw electric shower at the same time, you are already pulling just over 63 Amps.
The fail factor will be higher than 60 Amps, but not a good idea to test it !.
As energy prices have increased rapidly, I wanted to slide as much of my usage into a 5 hour cheap rate tariff that I have, hence the request to upgrade the fuse rating to 100Amps.

 

[MattW]

Checked with my dealer, Nathaniel motors in Cardiff and it only comes with a 3 pin - you can buy one off them but the person I spoke to said you can get them much cheaper elsewhere

 

[Lovemyev]

Checked with my dealer, Nathaniel motors in Cardiff and it only comes with a 3 pin - you can buy one off them but the person I spoke to said you can get them much cheaper elsewhere

I find these cables good quality and reasonable price.

EV / Electric Car - Charging Cable - Type 2 to Type 2 | 32amp | 5m |

Premium fast PHEV EV Electric Car Vehicle Charging cable lead - Type 2 to Type 2 IEC62196 / Mennekes 16 amp 3.6 kW 5 meter cable tidy carry case

evonestop.co.uk

 

[N2STY]

Right all this DNO is very confusing I got my charger fitted in Jan with looped supply I told DNO they still came over to up grade fuse to 80amp they said there not bothered with the loop as the charger I am getting has load balancing but some time in future they will unloop and 100amp it Wich hapend yesterday

 

[Lovemyev]

Thanks for uploading @N2STY .
I don't have a massive understanding of this un-looping process, just basic knowledge.
But I have been giving this a bit more thought while making a coffee.
So, he is my two pennies worth.
House 1 has a incoming cable rated at a carrying capacity of 100+ Amps.
This was then looped from the service head into the house next door, to provide a supply to their service head ( This is likely to be the case in some of our more mature houses ? ).
Load demands where probably 75 - 80 % less than they are today and therefore at the time of installing the looped supply, it was plenty.
So, we have moved on and now "Next Door" is now likely to require its OWN individual 100+ supply cable running to the property.
The loop is disregarded in house 1 and it keeps the original supply from outside, house 2 now has the newly installed feed cable patched into their service head.
Both houses are now fitted with 100 amp cut out fuses and we are happy campers.
In your first un-looped photo, I can see that you had the same service head as ourselves.
This type of head can be upgraded from a 60 Amp to a 80 Amp very quickly, because a 60 & 80 Amp fuse are the same external size.
However, a 100Amp fuse is much larger in size and a new service head needs to be installed, to carry that larger fuse ( It can be seen in your last photo ).
The DNO where comfortable installing the 80 Amp fuse because your wall box was fitted with a "Load Balancing" device.
You can see the "Amp Clamp" on the ( Brown ) LIVE meter tail cable, it is measuring the load.
If the load gets close to the 80 Amp rating of that main fuse, it will throttle back the demand requested by the wall box.
This works fine if you are on a normal day rate tariff, but if you are on a cheaper overnight rate, you want to maximise ALL of that time available.
If the wall box gets throttled back, you could have less range than you thought in the morning.
This depends on what other items ( if any ) you have running on that off peak time.
Having your own supply on a 100amp fuse is the best option all round.
You have no use for the load balancing feature now then ?.

 

[N2STY]

Good point I will keep the load balancing just need to call ohme to tell them it's now 100amp and they do a instant update its good to keep load balancing as it just protects the main fuse as I have welders compressors and other work shop machinery oh and pool pump and heater but this is a heat pump so at most extra 2kw
Ps. Your right all digging was next door for new supply and I keep old as I am 1st in loop or was ?

 

[Alun26]

I beg to differ, a ring main of 2.5 twin and earth is good for well over 3 kw. the recommended MCB size for a 2.5 ring main is 32A. A 2.5 radial circuit can be fused at 16A. Your average dish washer or washing machine can pull well over 2.5kW. This info is from the IEE Regs 18th edition.

IEE! Should that be The IET ? ?

 

[peterseddon]

IEE! Should that be The IET ? ?

Yes you're right though some old timers still call it IEE even though it merged with a couple more institutes and became the IET. I was a member before I retired.

 

[Alb]

If it's on a ring the effective conductor csa is actually 5mm Sq!

 

[AK OK]

brand new ones should come with the granny - used it can vary - i bought a 2nd hand demonstrator model from Eastcote MG dealership but it didnt come with the granny. i would've thought it would and didnt ask until i'd driven off.

tbh its the type 2 cable that you will be using alot more than a granny

How do you know? Other way around for me

 

[Lovemyev]

How do you know? Other way around for me

I think MG’s theory is to supply a unit that can be used the MAJORITY of people in the U.K.
Not everybody will have access to a wall box or have a type 2 post on their doorsteps, but almost everybody can access a standard three pin socket at some point in their use.
For this reason, It has been decided that MG will supply a Granny cable with the car when new.
SOME dealers have offered the gift of a type2 cable to accompany the standard supplied Granny unit.
But a lot of dealers will expect the owner to either purchase one from themselves, or let the owner procure their own.
The VAG group generally give both cables.