I should have kept that space saver from the Golf.

I was thinking about the times I've had catastrophic (as opposed to slow) punctures, and it's not that many in 40 years of car ownership.
  • Late 1980s, somewhere in France, on a motorway, with my mother in the car. Don't know what caused it. I got under the canopy of an unmanned petrol station just as a thunderstorm began. I was entirely confident of my ability to change the wheel and impress my mother with my competence. However, as I began, an English man who had called in for petrol saw what was happening, came over, and did the job. I was slightly deflated (like the tyre), but accepted gracefully.
  • Early 1990s, near Heathrow airport. I hit a kerb. Silly me. I started to change the tyre but couldn't shift the wheel nuts. I happened to be right outside a pub. I went in and asked the general atmosphere if anyone could loosen a wheel nut for me. Of course about five men leaped up and did the entire job. They had no trouble with the wheel nuts.
  • About 2008, hit a bad pothole in the Peugeot on the way to the dentist. The actual alloy was bent. I didn't fancy my chances on that fast road, which was quite busy, and phoned the RAC. Eventually a patrolman came and changed the wheel. While I was waiting a council works van stopped and the workmen asked if they could help. I said it was OK, I was waiting for the RAC. They said they were on their way to fix the pothole!
  • About 2021, flat that I ran on for some time without realising. When I stopped, in a village near here, someone told me I was right outside a workshop. The guy in the workshop tried to inflate the tyre with his air line, but when he realised it was hopeless he put the space saver on for me.
So not that many punctures, and every single time a knight in shining armour (otherwise known as a normal man) either changed the wheel for me or at least offered to. This time, of course, I was hampered by not having a spare. It's absolutely insane not to supply one. But then again, the perfect record of knights in shining armour was maintained, by the holidaymaker who came out with tea and biscuits and eventually got my phone working, and by the taxi driver who found me at three in the morning despite the car being wrongly described to him. Let's hear it for the male of the species.

It's a funny thing, but I can't shake the guilty feeling that this puncture was my own fault, that started the minute I realised the tyre was flat. I was on a tarred public road. I wasn't going fast, and I wasn't close to the side of the road. I wasn't squeezing past another car, I had the road to myself. It was just a stone. But somehow, I'm to blame! I suppose it's the feeling that it serves me right for going joyriding on such a minor road. Loads of cars and vans were passing without incident. As I began to negotiate the pass, two classic open-top sports cars passed me in the opposite direction, having just completed it. But the holidaymaker said the farmer is so hacked off because he gets about two people a week looking for help in the high season. So it is a risky place to go.
And the tyreless traveler tale of the week goes to ✉️
Unless you’ve got a better blowout boast 🤣🤣
Interesting reading @Rolfe.
 
That feeling of guilt is all that's left, for you to take responsibility for a random event, having been utterly failed by a set of corporations whose job it was to assist in those events. It's not your fault. The fault is absolutely with the RAC/AA.

Your story worries me, though. I've been driving since I was 12, first in Namibia, then in Malawi, where I got my licence, then South Africa. In years of driving in Africa, the only puncture I got was in a car, in Cape Town, when I nipped a kerb, same as your Heathrow incident.
But since living in Scotland, I've had 3 punctures. One was bizarre - I managed to puncture my spare! It was my Landie, with a spare on the back. I reversed into a proud bolt on a piece of high armco, straight through the sidewall of a brand-new tyre. One was picking up a metal link that a logging lorry had dropped into snow, sharp-side up, near Rosehall in Sutherland. That was a random event. And one was just a puncture, in Pitlochrie, on our way to Edinburgh, against a deadline. I discovered that trying to get a tyre repaired in Perth is roughly like calling for a vote of confidence in the pope at a communist party meeting. Wow, that took negotiation.
Puncturing a tyre off the ground is very impressive.
Any advance with pneumatic pnasties??
 
Al, I'm a 71 year old woman. I pay the RAC to sort these things out for me. Also, passing motorists didn't stop when I tried. They were all "doing" the Hardknott Pass and also in the middle of nowhere in an unfamiliar area. It's hard to see what they could realistically have done in the circumstances TBH. I'd also have had to pay for everything.
Appreciate everything you say , but given your experience with this event having a degree of self sufficiency which may or may not require the assistance of well meaning strangers can only give an assurance that you ( or anyone else ) have a back up plan should the first one fail. I believe farmers in the Lakes and rural areas use mobile tyre fitters rather than travelling awkward distances to tyre shops when their equipment needs tyres, another option? Again its cost verses hassle/time . Someone travelling that road could also make a call on your behalf when the mobile signal returns to their phones 10-15 miles further on.
Your adventures off the beaten track are well appreciated here and hope they continue , maybe as part of your future planning looking up and noting phone numbers of mobile tyre fitters in the areas you are heading could be advantageous, especially as if you have them then you'll never need them!!!
 
Sounds like a real ordeal @Rolfe

Must admit I bought an old VW spacesaver after reading comments on here.

It is in its cardboard box, taking up quite a lot of space in the boot. In the SE you don't have space underneath to store it.

I probably wouldn't attempt to change the wheel myself given that we have the AA support, but any AA van could come along and swap it with ease.

If you've got an un-goopable flat and no spare then you'd need to wait for a low-loader to be available which could be some time. No doubt these are getting more and more in demand as fewer cars have a spare.

If you use the goop you have to stick to 50mph which is the same as the spacesaver. If we needed all the boot space we would have a big decision to make about whether to give up on the spare.
 
Appreciate everything you say , but given your experience with this event having a degree of self sufficiency which may or may not require the assistance of well meaning strangers can only give an assurance that you ( or anyone else ) have a back up plan should the first one fail. I believe farmers in the Lakes and rural areas use mobile tyre fitters rather than travelling awkward distances to tyre shops when their equipment needs tyres, another option? Again its cost verses hassle/time . Someone travelling that road could also make a call on your behalf when the mobile signal returns to their phones 10-15 miles further on.
Your adventures off the beaten track are well appreciated here and hope they continue , maybe as part of your future planning looking up and noting phone numbers of mobile tyre fitters in the areas you are heading could be advantageous, especially as if you have them then you'll never need them!!!

There was a number for a tyre service displayed at the farmhouse. But at what point was I going to give up on the RAC and try to arrange everything for myself (and pay for it too)? I had no mobile signal to phone anyone else until the holidaymaker gave me his wifi password at about 11 pm. If I'd managed to get a tyre fitter out and he couldn't get me mobile, what then?

I tried to think how a passing driver could help, but it was difficult. Take me to where I could get a mobile signal? Did they want a passenger for their attempt at the Hardknott pass? Suppose I got a lift, then what? I'm in some Cumbrian village with no shelter, ten miles from my car. Do I ask the RAC to pick me up and take me back to the car? Do I try to get a lift back? After dark there was virtually no traffic going up there.

I really had no option but to try to contact the RAC, then once I managed that, to trust that they would deal with my situation adequately.

Sounds like a real ordeal @Rolfe

Must admit I bought an old VW spacesaver after reading comments on here.

It is in its cardboard box, taking up quite a lot of space in the boot. In the SE you don't have space underneath to store it.

I probably wouldn't attempt to change the wheel myself given that we have the AA support, but any AA van could come along and swap it with ease.

If you've got an un-goopable flat and no spare then you'd need to wait for a low-loader to be available which could be some time. No doubt these are getting more and more in demand as fewer cars have a spare.

If you use the goop you have to stick to 50mph which is the same as the spacesaver. If we needed all the boot space we would have a big decision to make about whether to give up on the spare.

I don't think the goop would have worked given the catastrophic nature of the blow-out. Even if it did, while it might have got me ten miles to the nearest reasonably-sized settlement, it wasn't going to get me up the M6. It was late on Friday afternoon. I'd have been just as stranded, I think, just less isolated.

I vaguely wish I'd given it a shot right at the start now, just to see what would have happened, but it really did look pretty hopeless (especially given what I saw happen to Laura in a similar situation) and I was conscious that the best it could do would be to get me to the nearest village. At that point I would still be in need of rescue. Better to activate the RAC and get them on it right away, or so I thought.
 
I guess the $64,000 question is, should I go back the next nice day and try it again? Does lightning strike twice in the same place? I should start a poll.
Go for it. The school of hard knots has nothing new to teach you now after all you went through last time.
 
At least you knew the WiFi password so you can make that phone call, and maybe the 3 word app if the road service uses it .... or nailing down exactly where you are on the road with the initial phone call while mentioning the previous problems ..... and maybe getting a name to attach to the survey regarding the wonderful service the operator provided ;) :D

T1 Terry
 
@Rolfe - what a disappointing end to what should have been a lovely outing. I do have a space saver wheel in the boot of my ZS, but, like you, I don’t intend to change a wheel myself, if I get a puncture. I’m a little older than you, and I too, feel that’s what the breakdown service is for. However, I also have some Tyreweld, just in case.

I hope you manage a trip to the Lake District in the future, with no car problems.
 
I guess the $64,000 question is, should I go back the next nice day and try it again? Does lightning strike twice in the same place? I should start a poll.
Great road so long as there's not too many people on it. Been many years since I last drove it, that was in my XJ6 the only issue I had was the brakes didn't work too well by the time I got back to Ambleside.
 

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