Lane Assist Trying To Kill Me!

[M101]

I am wondering how much of this is poor calibration.

it was apparently fixed with the latest software update but id say its actually made it worse.

The EU legislation states that all new cars must have LKA, but there is no legislation as to how well it needs to work, so it looks like this was thrown on at the last minute for the lowest budget simply to tick a box.

Car sales mean more than human lives!!!!

 

[Derek25]

I'm assuming nobody has actually died as a result of lane keep assist on the MG4. Has anyone even had an accident as a result of it? I've asked the same question about phantom braking on the Tesla forums over the last few years. Similar complaints but no-one has ever volunteered so much as a scratch to either themselves or the car ?‍

 

[siteguru]

I think the point being made is ... nobody has (yet) had an accident IN SPITE OF the car; LKA has tried (obviously not intentionally) to cause crashes, but the people driving have been able to rescue the situations in time. As such it's only a matter of time until the real thing happens.

 

[Derek25]

I think the point being made is ... nobody has (yet) had an accident IN SPITE OF the car; LKA has tried (obviously not intentionally) to cause crashes, but the people driving have been able to rescue the situations in time. As such it's only a matter of time until the real thing happens.

This is what posters on the Tesla forums kept saying. I'm still waiting for the report of an accident. Must be three years or more since I first asked .......

 

[MoDolph]

This is what posters on the Tesla forums kept saying. I'm still waiting for the report of an accident. Must be three years or more since I first asked .......

I don't know much about this incident but it still shows what could happen if the car suddenly stopped:

 

[Derek25]

I don't know much about this incident but it still shows what could happen if the car suddenly stopped:

It shows what happens if any vehicle suddenly stops and those behind are traveling too close. I don't think the police investigation has reached any conclusions yet. Tesla's own figures show their vehicles are less likely to be involved in an accident if the safety features are engaged by the driver.

 

[tsedge]

The accident surely wasn't caused by a car abruptly stopping but by the people behind travelling too fast and/or close and not reacting in time.

I believe in the US it is automatically the fault of the second car (the first to crash) in these cases unless there are extraordinary circumstances.

 

[MoDolph]

The accident surely wasn't caused by a car abruptly stopping but by the people behind travelling too fast and/or close and not reacting in time.

I believe in the US it is automatically the fault of the second car (the first to crash) in these cases unless there are extraordinary circumstances.

This is true. However, would it be ok for someone to perform an emergency stop on the motorway just because they felt like it?

Surely dangerous driving or something similar would apply.

 

[tsedge]

This is true. However, would it be ok for someone to perform an emergency stop on the motorway just because they felt like it?

I suppose it would be hard to prove intention - eg "I thought I saw something in the carriageway".

Surely dangerous driving or something similar would apply.

Yes, the police would assess if there are legitimate reasons for the manoeuvre, clearly people who brake test others fall foul of this.

 

[Derek25]

I suppose it would be hard to prove intention - eg "I thought I saw something in the carriageway".

Yes, the police would assess if there are legitimate reasons for the manoeuvre, clearly people who brake test others fall foul of this.

In the end, you have to wait for the police report. There are plenty of these sensational Tesla incidents reported at the time of the accident. You have to go looking for the eventual police conclusions reported much later. Try googling drunk driver blames autopilot........

 

[OriginalBigAl]

Lots of valid reasons for and against these "safety features" but surely when driving any car you do not want to feel on edge (unless you are tsedge !) all the time with the expectations that the car is going to do something randomly unexpected , whether or not it will cause an accident. I,d get to B+Q before all the black tape disappears.

 

[Rolfe]

I once completely lost my vision while driving. I am not diabetic but I think it was a momentary hypoglycemia - I hadn't eaten much and had been exercising. I was travelling slowly through roadworks in a single lane with cones either side. I had the luxury of being able to brake slowly to a halt but even so the driver behind must have wondered what was going on.

My vision cleared within seconds and I drove on. But if that had happened at high speed on the motorway I would have had to do an emergency stop. For no apparent reason. Anything could happen to the driver in front, or to the car. Not every emergency stop happens for a reason that can be seen by the driver behind.

 

[Tweed98]

The accident surely wasn't caused by a car abruptly stopping but by the people behind travelling too fast and/or close and not reacting in time.

I believe in the US it is automatically the fault of the second car (the first to crash) in these cases unless there are extraordinary circumstances.

I was taught to leave a 2 second gap, but I was also taught to look as far up the road as possible to anticipate what the cars in front do. If you are in a tunnel with no pedestrians and you can see clear road you aren't going to anticipate the car in front coming to a complete stop. I'd say 50/50 on that insurance claim but I am no solicitor/barrister!

Why don't they set the cars up so if the auto brake comes on suddenly it engages the hazard warning lights to flag up an issue?

 

[bowfer]

I was taught to leave a 2 second gap, but I was also taught to look as far up the road as possible to anticipate what the cars in front do. If you are in a tunnel with no pedestrians and you can see clear road you aren't going to anticipate the car in front coming to a complete stop. I'd say 50/50 on that insurance claim but I am no solicitor/barrister!

Why don't they set the cars up so if the auto brake comes on suddenly it engages the hazard warning lights to flag up an issue?

I think that incident was in part down to the fact it was in the USA, which has the worst standard of driving I’ve ever seen.
They’re lazy, often driving with forearms flopped over the wheel Instead of hands on, and driving whilst on the phone seems like a national sport.
I also wonder if many were caught out still wearing shades going through the tunnel.
Not at all convinced the same incident in the UK would have resulted in the same carnage.

 

[timeades]

I think that incident was in part down to the fact it was in the USA, which has the worst standard of driving I’ve ever seen.
They’re lazy, often driving with forearms flopped over the wheel Instead of hands on, and driving whilst on the phone seems like a national sport.
I also wonder if many were caught out still wearing shades going through the tunnel.
Not at all convinced the same incident in the UK would have resulted in the same carnage.

To be fair I don't think there are many countries that paint themselves in glory when it comes to driving standards. I haven't owned a car for 5 years so have relied on my legs and a bike and the amount of bad driving I see daily is staggering.

 

[Rolfe]

I was taught to leave a 2 second gap, but I was also taught to look as far up the road as possible to anticipate what the cars in front do. If you are in a tunnel with no pedestrians and you can see clear road you aren't going to anticipate the car in front coming to a complete stop. I'd say 50/50 on that insurance claim but I am no solicitor/barrister!

Why don't they set the cars up so if the auto brake comes on suddenly it engages the hazard warning lights to flag up an issue?

Of course it's only sensible to look ahead for possible hazards, but it's still possible the car in front might have to do an emergency stop for a legitimate reason you can't see.

 

[bowfer]

To be fair I don't think there are many countries that paint themselves in glory when it comes to driving standards. I haven't owned a car for 5 years so have relied on my legs and a bike and the amount of bad driving I see daily is staggering.

That’s as maybe, but it doesn’t stop some places being worse than others.

 

[OriginalBigAl]

it was apparently fixed with the latest software update but id say its actually made it worse.

The EU legislation states that all new cars must have LKA, but there is no legislation as to how well it needs to work, so it looks like this was thrown on at the last minute for the lowest budget simply to tick a box.

Car sales mean more than human lives!!!!

Are you mixing up EU with Euro NCAP. If its EU then can British owners lobby MG UK to ask SAIC to have a software patch to not reenable LKA after turning off, as you are no longer under EU legislation?

 

[timeades]

Are you mixing up EU with Euro NCAP. If its EU then can British owners lobby MG UK to ask SAIC to have a software patch to not reenable LKA after turning off, as you are no longer under EU legist ration ?

Oh don't open that can of worms ?

 

[OriginalBigAl]

The worms exist even if the can is unopened. As I have said before ,( I did not start this ) also a can is a very good method of preservation. Anyway, funny as it is, we are diverging from the post . Hello moderators.