Tesco's 7Kw chargers

[inshreds]

Hardly any free public charging in Scotland now, mainly limited to Perthshire area, everywhere else is round about 34 p on 22kw chargers

That is still a darn sight better than the rest of the Isles and only slightly more expensive than our former European neighbouring countries.

It is not all about people expecting free and the Government footing the bill....it's all about extortion, the ridiculously slow uptake in the number of charging stations in local councils across the country and the Government just plainly allowing privatisation and as usual extortion.

Some people might want to put it down to 'convenience' that you pay extortion when out and about from home, the same as service stations food and drink pricing, the same as NHS A&E food and drink pricing....the usual rip of Britain.

How on earth the Government expect people to want to buy into electric cars I do not know.

 

[Deleted member 10041]

That is still a darn sight better than the rest of the Isles and only slightly more expensive than our former European neighbouring countries.

It is not all about people expecting free and the Government footing the bill....it's all about extortion, the ridiculously slow uptake in the number of charging stations in local councils across the country and the Government just plainly allowing privatisation and as usual extortion.

Some people might want to put it down to 'convenience' that you pay extortion when out and about from home, the same as service stations food and drink pricing, the same as NHS A&E food and drink pricing....the usual rip of Britain.

How on earth the Government expect people to want to buy into electric cars I do not know.

I agree to an extent but I think to expect free charging with the current cost of energy is a big ask,
Subsidising/non profit to an extent would be good, as charge place Scotland do, but they are mostly destination chargers or if you car can take it up to 22kw.

 

[inshreds]

I agree to an extent but I think to expect free charging with the current cost of energy is a big ask,
Subsidising/non profit to an extent would be good, as charge place Scotland do, but they are mostly destination chargers or if you car can take it up to 22kw.

I personally have not expected to have free charging, just as you say subsidised costing and not allowing such extortion for sheer greed when you are out and about, and unnecessarily having to pay through the nose compared to European countries, or for that matter Scotland.

We all can expect to pay somewhat for convenience with upkeep etc, but EV owners or for that matter those considering a future EV purchase/lease should not have the added stress on top of ill equipped/non functional charging points, to have to pay through the nose, or worry about getting home on remaining battery charge.

We are coming from a bi-fuel petrol/LPG, to an EV lease, guess why LPG has not succeeded here compared to our European neighbours....yep lack of Government incentives.

The low pricing of LPG has been a boon, the number of pumps out of order when you finally get to one of the woefully low number in this country is ridiculous.

 

[Headgas1]

So why do you think Tesco or the government should subsidise your motoring?

I don’t think Tesco should subsidise my motoring they are a business and can do what they like I was just disappointed and wondered why the massive u-turn from free to a fair price then a big hike of 48% in a period of 6 months.

As for the government I thought there was a big push to become carbon free and greener and save the planet or am I imagining that !!! So how are they going to incentivise people to get an Ev vehicle which are more expensive to buy are getting just as expensive to run oh and let’s scrap the charger grant oh and tax them as well so yes I do expect the government to subsidise but that’s not happening am I surprised he’ll no as someone said earlier they talk the talk but don’t walk the walk

 

[Deleted member 10041]

I don’t think Tesco should subsidise my motoring they are a business and can do what they like I was just disappointed and wondered why the massive u-turn from free to a fair price then a big hike of 48% in a period of 6 months.

As for the government I thought there was a big push to become carbon free and greener and save the planet or am I imagining that !!! So how are they going to incentivise people to get an Ev vehicle which are more expensive to buy are getting just as expensive to run oh and let’s scrap the charger grant oh and tax them as well so yes I do expect the government to subsidise but that’s not happening am I surprised he’ll no as someone said earlier they talk the talk but don’t walk the walk

You don't expect Tesco to subsidize your motoring but your fair price (29p) means them making a loss on every kw they supply, as you say they are a business and all there overheads have went up.

The government has just spent 6 months subsidising the entire country, with regards energy.

The rise in numbers of EVs means less ice cars on the road, all that road tax revenue would need replaced at some point and they have decided 2025 is the year.
I am not singing the praises of the government here but the money has to come from somewhere, nothing is guaranteed for ever again not supporting the government here but the books needs balancing at some point

Everyone's circumstances are different but my ev is considerably cheaper to run than my old ice car was and our other current ice car that gets 44mpg on a petrol engine.

I have no regrets about getting my ev

 

[inshreds]

You don't expect Tesco to subsidize your motoring but your fair price (29p) means them making a loss on every kw they supply, as you say they are a business and all there overheads have went up.

The government has just spent 6 months subsidising the entire country, with regards energy.

The rise in numbers of EVs means less ice cars on the road, all that road tax revenue would need replaced at some point and they have decided 2025 is the year.
I am not singing the praises of the government here but the money has to come from somewhere, nothing is guaranteed for ever again not supporting the government here but the books needs balancing at some point

Everyone's circumstances are different but my ev is considerably cheaper to run than my old ice car was and our other current ice car that gets 44mpg on a petrol engine.

I have no regrets about getting my ev

The government were the ones that allowed energy privatisation, that along with Brexit is why we are in this mess now. We shouldn't have to be paying more at our grocery stores than those in mainland Europe, is that much to expect or want?

 

[Headgas1]

You don't expect Tesco to subsidize your motoring but your fair price (29p) means them making a loss on every kw they supply, as you say they are a business and all there overheads have went up.

The government has just spent 6 months subsidising the entire country, with regards energy.

The rise in numbers of EVs means less ice cars on the road, all that road tax revenue would need replaced at some point and they have decided 2025 is the year.
I am not singing the praises of the government here but the money has to come from somewhere, nothing is guaranteed for ever again not supporting the government here but the books needs balancing at some point

Everyone's circumstances are different but my ev is considerably cheaper to run than my old ice car was and our other current ice car that gets 44mpg on a petrol engine.

I have no regrets about getting my ev

The government subsidising the country on energy has nothing to do with this that’s a totally different subject there’s many reasons why were in a mess but that’s for a different forum I guess.

 

[Deleted member 10041]

The government were the ones that allowed energy privatisation, that along with Brexit is why we are in this mess now. We shouldn't have to be paying more at our grocery stores than those in mainland Europe, is that much to expect or want?

People voted for Brexit rightly or wrongly and perhaps very stupidly and at least naively.we unfortunately have no option but to go with the majority.

Definitely not a discussion for here

 

[Gomev]

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It is not all about people expecting free and the Government footing the bill....it's all about extortion, the ridiculously slow uptake in the number of charging stations in local councils across the country and the Government just plainly allowing privatisation and as usual extortion.

Some people might want to put it down to 'convenience' that you pay extortion when out and about from home, the same as service stations food and drink pricing, the same as NHS A&E food and drink pricing....the usual rip of Britain.

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Why the repeated use of such sensationalist wording ? This seems to be a common thing these days, especially in social media and often without knowing the real meaning of the words used.

'Extortion is the wrongful use of actual or threatened force, intimidation, or even violence to gain money or property. Typically extortion generally involves a threat made to the victim or their property, friends, or family members.'

I don't think the price of electricity fits that bill.

This criticism is not intended directly at you @inshreds but more as an example of the use of inflammatory and sensationalist language being used widely and unnecessarily these days.

 

[inshreds]

People voted for Brexit rightly or wrongly and perhaps very stupidly and at least naively.we unfortunately have no option but to go with the majority.

Definitely not a discussion for here

Skirting around the main issue there..I was answering yourself on the mention of why the government should be subsidising. Unfortunately, they got us into the mess, unfortunately (or fortunately) non-ev cars are being phased out by 2030, and unfortunately we are paying greater than our European neighbours of which the Government could learn a great deal from.

 

[inshreds]

Why the repeated use of such sensationalist wording ? This seems to be a common thing these days, especially in social media and often without knowing the real meaning of the words used.

'Extortion is the wrongful use of actual or threatened force, intimidation, or even violence to gain money or property. Typically extortion generally involves a threat made to the victim or their property, friends, or family members.'

I don't think the price of electricity fits that bill.

This criticism is not intended directly at you @inshreds but more as an example of the use of inflammatory and sensationalist language being used widely and unnecessarily these days.

Apologies for seeing too many sensationalist Daily Mail articles. Perhaps my confusion lies in the word extortionate, feel free to defend the Government over my slander with that one.

 

[Deleted member 10041]

Apologies for seeing too many sensationalist Daily Mail articles. Perhaps my confusion lies in the word extortionate, feel free to defend the Government over my slander with that one.

Nobody is defending the government, I live in a country where Brexit was firmly rejected, but because of democracy we had to go along with it, yes it is a mess, yes things should be better than they are, but the people voted for it and if most were gullible enough to believe what they were being told then we can thank them for the mess we are in.

As I said politics is for another place.

I bought an EV for me, not because of what I think I should have got for buying one, nothing lasts for ever and sadly most grants, and subsidies have fallen by the way. It doesn't seem to be stopping the rise in EV sales.

The bottom line is either buy one or not, get what suits your circumstances best at the moment (nobody can be criticised for that, ice cars aren't going anywhere soon.

 

[inshreds]

Nobody is defending the government, I live in a country where Brexit was firmly rejected, but because of democracy we had to go along with it, yes it is a mess, yes things should be better than they are, but the people voted for it and if most were gullible enough to believe what they were being told then we can thank them for the mess we are in.

As I said politics is for another place.

I bought an EV for me, not because of what I think I should have got for buying one, nothing lasts for ever and sadly most grants, and subsidies have fallen by the way. It doesn't seem to be stopping the rise in EV sales.

The bottom line is either buy one or not, get what suits your circumstances best at the moment (nobody can be criticised for that, ice cars aren't going anywhere soon.

Seems like your question in relation to why should the Government be subsidising really cannot be answered, argued, or discussed if politics has to be left out the discussion.

 

[Deleted member 10041]

Seems like your question in relation to why should the Government be subsidising really cannot be answered, argues, or discussed if politics has to be left out the discussion.

We have different opinions, life is full of them!

I don't think the government should fund my lifestyle choice, nobody but me had a say on my purchase of an EV. I bought it knowing full well the costs involved and was happy I could afford it.

You think there should be incentives again your opinion, again one that you are more than entitled too.

Most people that are buying EVs at the moment are doing it because they can afford too. The proposed ban on new ice cars in 2030 is 7 years away that's probably another car after this one for some people. Hopefully in 2030 there will be more affordable cars so that more people can get one. Then as is now people will still buy old cars because that is all they can afford, used ice cars will be around for years because of this.

Again all about opinions I'm not bothered if I don't change anyone's, especially on a subject like this.?

 

[inshreds]

We have different opinions, life is full of them!

I don't think the government should fund my lifestyle choice, nobody but me had a say on my purchase of an EV. I bought it knowing full well the costs involved and was happy I could afford it.

You think there should be incentives again your opinion, again one that you are more than entitled too.

Most people that are buying EVs at the moment are doing it because they can afford too. The proposed ban on new ice cars in 2030 is 7 years away that's probably another car after this one for some people. Hopefully in 2030 there will be more affordable cars so that more people can get one. Then as is now people will still buy old cars because that is all they can afford, used ice cars will be around for years because of this.

Again all about opinions I'm not bothered if I don't change anyone's, especially on a subject like this.?

I juat reiterate, if the question on subsidising cannot be answered by bringing in politics then like many other things in this country the Government in my opinion should be looking at how our European neighbours do things better and at a lower price, including the all important electricity pricing for charging cars.

As for incentives, it's not really about incentives for me, it is about paying a fair price in relation to other countries and about having a decent infrastructure here of charging points to sway more people into buying into EV cars as the prices drop and it becomes more mainstream instead of a luxury 'class' commodity.

 

[smokie]

Have you any evidence that EV charging throughout Europe is cheaper than the UK?

And anyway, comparing countries isn't as easy as you seem to think.

If you'd like a wage as low, say, Portugal or Spain then just let your employer know, I'm sure they'd be happy to oblige.

Or if you want more cheaper electricity like France just persuade everyone that nuclear power stations need not be opposed. While you are at it, try to stop people opposing green energy being created here, with the incessant objections to onshore and offshore wind farms for not-very-good reasons.

If you'd like the social care that say Sweden or Denmark has then don't oppose tax rises.

The point being that a bland comment the somewhere is cheaper that somewhere else doesn't tell the whole story, by a long chalk.

 

[inshreds]

Bland comment....what makes you so superior ? there is one thing having an opinion, there is another when you try and attempt to belittle another on here of which I have had the common courtesy not to have done. Perhaps I should block you.

Plenty of articles on cost of living in mainland Europe in comparison to here, and I also have friends that live in Spain, with one of my best friends having married a Spanish woman and moving to Spain from here after the sorry state of Brexit.

Let's turn it around on your self righteousness...have you any evidence the UK is paying the same and not more for electricity charging prices out and about? Does the UK like France have a one off payment per year of €24 for kiwihpass giving access to 95% of chargers at €0.35 per kWh for example?

 

[smokie]

I'm not claiming to be superior, I'm just asking for some evidence. I don't think I was self-righteous either.

If you can't discuss without verging on the offensive then I won't either, with you.

But I will continue to challenge unsupported, unverified or inaccurate info which people post.

And it still isn't right to simply pick out one thing to compare across a number of different countries with different cultures, values and standards.

Your France example proves my point, France has about the highest generation of cheap nuclear power in Europe, if not the world. "We" keep resisting expanding our nuclear industry, such that we are years behind now. So our fuel economy is effectively based on (now expensive) gas.

 

[inshreds]

Attempting to belittle someone in my book with an insult isn't going to go anywhere in making that person think you are anything but attempting to be superior

You don't prove any point...condescending yet again.

The privatisation of fuel is what has got this country into a mess to start with. There is no need for motorway services to be charging 65pence plus for 'convenience' other than the sheer greed that the Government are allowing.

Why can't there be a yearly fee for upkeep of chargers and allowing access to them at a fair price like our European neighbours? I gather you are a politician, therefore able to give a verified and accurate response.

Do you need me to post links to all our neighbouring countries that have cheaper subsidised charging for you to validate? Do you expect me to waste my time with you?

 

[Deleted member 10041]

Elli German charging company subscription off €7.99 and subsequent charges per KW in European countries €0.79 is equivalent of 70p from comparing ionity prices (UK is 69p) so with this company at least it's like for like in most countries.
France is the equivalent of 61p so 8p cheaper.