MG/Tesla comparison

I've just spent three weeks driving a standard 72 plate Tesla Model 3 while my MG ZS was in for repairs for damage after being rear-ended. It made for an interesting comparison between the two cars which others might find interesting, so here's my personal experience:

Range:
My MG ZS is the Trophy Long range, so this particular Tesla didn't offer much more in range (or battery efficiency) than the MG, so no clear winner there. As the Tesla didn't come with an adapter, I was restricted to Tesla's public chargers in the one long journey I made. The only effect this had was where I stopped... although it was a simpler affair.

Performance:
The Tesla was a clear winner here. It was much faster. Having said that, this has little impact on my real world driving experience, so is a bit of a hollow victory. Where it did shine, however, was its grip on the road, which was far superior to the ZS. This may be partly due to it being RWD rather than FWD. There was none of that ridiculous wheel spin you get with the ZS. To clarify, I don't drive like a boy racer, but as my driveway emerges onto a relatively blind bend, with drivers regularly speeding down the road, and visibility obstructed by parked cars, I often have to make a rather quick exit, and find the ridiculous wheel spinning of the ZS infuriating. Imho, I think all EVs - given the immediate power to the wheels - should ideally be RWD, or better still, AWD.

Driving experience:
This is a mixed bag with no clear winner. Unlike the ZS, the regenerative breaking on the Tesla meant that it was true one pedal driving. It took a little getting used to, but I think it made for a more enjoyable driving experience. Point to Tesla.

As far as seating comfort is concerned, the ZS, for me, came out on top. In the Tesla, the driver's seat seems infinitely more adjustable, and the steering wheel has rake/reach capability (I was shocked MG didn't include this as standard), nevertheless, I could never quite find a comfortable seating position in the Tesla, but his may be because I prefer the higher up position you get from an SUV anyway. The seats in the Tesla, however, felt hard and uncomfortable compared to the ZS; having said that, the MG's lack of lumber support is a negative. A positive, though, is that the MG has shelf space to rest both feet either side of the pedals when using cruise control. The Tesla has no space next to the accelerator pedal, and this negatively impacted my comfort on a long journey. Overall, the MG comes out on top for seating comfort.

The Tesla's sleek, minimalist cabin interior is attractive, but not a game changer. Call me old fashioned, but I like the alternatives of the physical toggles in the MG. Having said that, the larger and more responsive touchscreen of Tesla was superior to the MG's. There's a bit of personal bias here, though. As I only need glasses for reading, I can't use them while driving, and am often frustrated that I can't read information on my touchscreen. The size of Tesla's screen eliminated this problem completely and it was delightful to feel I could see properly again, so a point to Tesla there.

Tech:
Unsurprisingly, Tesla was generally superior on this front. Not only was the screen larger and more responsive, it has more features, such as built in dash cam and sentry mode. The sensors and cameras were superior, and increased the enjoyment and ease of the driving experience.

A little plus for the ZS, though, is that I think the music sounded better in it.

Autopilot is, of course, a major feature for Tesla. Maybe I needed to try it more, but the one time I did, it felt like it took more concentration (and tension) to supervise than to just do it myself, so concluded it wasn't worth bothering.

There are lots of other little things that demonstrate the price difference between the two cars, but for me, not enough to justify a 10k difference. Over all, whilst the Tesla was enjoyable, I'm by no means sad to be back in my MG, and haven't yet fallen to the dark side.
 
There are lots of other little things that demonstrate the price difference between the two cars, but for me, not enough to justify a 10k difference. Over all, whilst the Tesla was enjoyable, I'm by no means sad to be back in my MG, and haven't yet fallen to the dark side.

That was good to read. People tend to forget how much they pay for MG compared to others that might or might not be that much better... ZS is converted petrol car so the front wheel drive and few other bits and bobs were in a way forced on it.
 
That was good to read. People tend to forget how much they pay for MG compared to others that might or might not be that much better... ZS is converted petrol car so the front wheel drive and few other bits and bobs were in a way forced on it.
That's true. There's a big difference between an EV that's designed from the ground up and one adapted to a car originally designed for the ICE.
 
My MG ZS is the Trophy Long range, so this particular Tesla didn't offer much more in range (or battery efficiency) than the MG, so no clear winner there. As the Tesla didn't come with an adapter, I was restricted to Tesla's public chargers in the one long journey I made. The only effect this had was where I stopped... although it was a simpler affair.
I would take issue with this claim.

In miles/kWh the Tesla is much more efficient. It isn't even close.
 
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I would take issue with this claim.

In Miles/kwh the Tesla is much more efficient. It isn't even close.
Yes, I understand that, and you're free to disagree ? but I'm not really making a claim. I haven't done a rigorous scientific test or any detailed maths just expressing my subjective perception. Of course, on paper a Tesla is more efficient - but not all Tesla's are equal either. Perhaps I expected more from the Tesla, which skewes my perception, but in my real world driving experience, the difference between the two felt negligible, and the range it offered on screen was only 20 miles more than what my ZS estimates. Regardless, as I have to drive from Lancaster to Southampton and back regularly, I would love an EV that offers significantly more range than either of them ?
 
Yes, I understand that, and you're free to disagree ? but I'm not really making a claim. I haven't done a rigorous scientific test or any detailed maths just expressing my subjective perception. Of course, on paper a Tesla is more efficient - but not all Tesla's are equal either. Perhaps I expected more from the Tesla, which skewes my perception, but in my real world driving experience, the difference between the two felt negligible, and the range it offered on screen was only 20 miles more than what my ZS estimates. Regardless, as I have to drive from Lancaster to Southampton and back regularly, I would love an EV that offers significantly more range than either of them ?
The difference in the real world Vs 'on paper' is even larger
 
The difference in the real world Vs 'on paper' is even larger
Hmmmm, how did I not notice that during my real world experience of having a Tesla for three weeks? ?? It doesn't matter, just what it seemed like to me - as I say, could just be perception, which is most likely flawed ?
 
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I would take issue with this claim.

In Miles/kwh the Tesla is much more efficient. It isn't even close.
I don't know about that (as in, I really don't know since my ZS is the only EV I drove) but from one leasing Co:

Here are the top 10 most efficient electric cars to lease in terms of miles per kWh:

Tesla Model 3, Standard Range Plus: 4.56 miles per kWh
Fiat 500e: 4.54 miles per kWh
Tesla Model 3, Long Range: 4.54 miles per kWh
Hyundai Ioniq Electric: 4.19 miles per kWh
BMW i3: 4.16 miles per kWh
Mini Electric: 4.10 miles per kWh
Seat Mii electric: 4.10 miles per kWh
Volkswagen e-up!: 4.07 miles per kWh
Smart EQ fortwo: 4.05 miles per kWh
Hyundai Kona Electric (39 kWh): 3.99 miles per kWh


CarWow shows 2024 model Tesla 3 at 5.08 mi/kWh and Car Magazine at 4.3 mi/kWh.

My Mk2 ZS standard range shows 4.2 over the past 2,400 miles and the only time I drive gently/slowly is when I'm stuck in traffic; plenty of short sprints to switch lanes and overtake.
(p.s. my average speed for those 2,400 miles is 17mph - talk about urban living ...! ?)
 
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I don't know about that (as in, I really don't know since my ZS is the only EV I drove) but from one leasing Co:

Here are the top 10 most efficient electric cars to lease in terms of miles per kWh:

Tesla Model 3, Standard Range Plus: 4.56 miles per kWh
Fiat 500e: 4.54 miles per kWh
Tesla Model 3, Long Range: 4.54 miles per kWh
Hyundai Ioniq Electric: 4.19 miles per kWh
BMW i3: 4.16 miles per kWh
Mini Electric: 4.10 miles per kWh
Seat Mii electric: 4.10 miles per kWh
Volkswagen e-up!: 4.07 miles per kWh
Smart EQ fortwo: 4.05 miles per kWh
Hyundai Kona Electric (39 kWh): 3.99 miles per kWh


CarWow shows 2024 model Tesla 3 at 5.08 kWh and Car Magazine at 4.3kWh

My Mk2 ZS standard range shows 4.2 over the past 2,400 miles and the only time I drive gently/slowly is when I'm stuck in traffic; plenty of short sprints to switch lanes and overtake.
(p.s. my average speed for those 2,400 miles is 17mph - talk about urban living ...! ?)
There is absolutely zero way a Hyundai Electric is anywhere that close to the ZS.

I have owned both cars and the Hyundai averaged around 4.5 mi/kWh with the ZS currently on a life time average of 3.5.


The Ioniq has a 38kWh battery and has a range of 192 miles.

My ZS has 54 kWh battery and has a range of 198 miles.

The ZS GOM rarely makes it to 190 miles even in the summer, the Ioniq would often report 200 miles from the GOM in summer.

You only have to look at the physical shape of the Ioniq and the Model 3 Vs the ZS to know there is a huge aero disadvantage.

For further info look at Bjorn Nyland's spreadsheets of the efficiency of something like the Model 3 LR Vs the ZS - there is almost a 100km difference between the two per kWh in efficiency.
 
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What adapter was needed for the Model 3, it is CCS?


From OP……..
As the Tesla didn't come with an adapter, I was restricted to Tesla's public chargers in the one long journey I made. The only effect this had was where I stopped... although it was a simpler affair.
 
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I have an Xpower which is fantastic, but was able to test drive the new Model 3 Performance. Wow, it is fast, incredibly slick and you can see what you are paying for. Nothing taken away from the MG, but Tesla demonstrate performance, quality, handling and great software, something MG4 needs to improve and hopefully they will with the end of year refresh.
 
What adapter was needed for the Model 3, it is CCS?



As the Tesla didn't come with an adapter, I was restricted to Tesla's public chargers in the one long journey I made. The only effect this had was where I stopped... although it was a simpler affair.
A model 3 in Europe is CCS - no adapters are required you can charge on any public charger with CCS2.
 
I have an Xpower which is fantastic, but was able to test drive the new Model 3 Performance. Wow, it is fast, incredibly slick and you can see what you are paying for. Nothing taken away from the MG, but Tesla demonstrate performance, quality, handling and great software, something MG4 needs to improve and hopefully they will with the end of year refresh.

what's the difference in price, is it worth it?

EDIT: just wondered what issues they might have and came across this article (but I still wouldn't mind one ?):
 
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The M3P is £60K (!) double what I paid (ex-demo model with 7.5K miles). So the XP is total bargain, best performance per buck, more practical, and racing green is a lovely colour.
The well known Tesla turn signals on the steering wheel are problematic, but likely software may well help reduce need for them.
It's a tough choice, if you really want the performance & handling & you have £60K, then Tesla, else MG.
And when Zeekr comes to the UK, they are going to sell. Every one looks great, amazing spec, performance & value: Zeekr 001, 007, X
 
What adapter was needed for the Model 3, it is CCS?


From OP……..
As the Tesla didn't come with an adapter, I was restricted to Tesla's public chargers in the one long journey I made. The only effect this had was where I stopped... although it was a simpler affair.
I believe it's the SAE J1772 adapter
 
J17772 is a USA standard. ? NOT needed on a Model 3 in Europe
My bad, just looked it up quickly as I'd been told I would need an adapter ?? Does that mean I was misinformed and you can use CCS with a Tesla in the UK?

I've just spent three weeks driving a standard 72 plate Tesla Model 3 while my MG ZS was in for repairs for damage after being rear-ended. It made for an interesting comparison between the two cars which others might find interesting, so here's my personal experience:

Range:
My MG ZS is the Trophy Long range, so this particular Tesla didn't offer much more in range (or battery efficiency) than the MG, so no clear winner there. As the Tesla didn't come with an adapter, I was restricted to Tesla's public chargers in the one long journey I made. The only effect this had was where I stopped... although it was a simpler affair.

Performance:
The Tesla was a clear winner here. It was much faster. Having said that, this has little impact on my real world driving experience, so is a bit of a hollow victory. Where it did shine, however, was its grip on the road, which was far superior to the ZS. This may be partly due to it being RWD rather than FWD. There was none of that ridiculous wheel spin you get with the ZS. To clarify, I don't drive like a boy racer, but as my driveway emerges onto a relatively blind bend, with drivers regularly speeding down the road, and visibility obstructed by parked cars, I often have to make a rather quick exit, and find the ridiculous wheel spinning of the ZS infuriating. Imho, I think all EVs - given the immediate power to the wheels - should ideally be RWD, or better still, AWD.

Driving experience:
This is a mixed bag with no clear winner. Unlike the ZS, the regenerative breaking on the Tesla meant that it was true one pedal driving. It took a little getting used to, but I think it made for a more enjoyable driving experience. Point to Tesla.

As far as seating comfort is concerned, the ZS, for me, came out on top. In the Tesla, the driver's seat seems infinitely more adjustable, and the steering wheel has rake/reach capability (I was shocked MG didn't include this as standard), nevertheless, I could never quite find a comfortable seating position in the Tesla, but his may be because I prefer the higher up position you get from an SUV anyway. The seats in the Tesla, however, felt hard and uncomfortable compared to the ZS; having said that, the MG's lack of lumber support is a negative. A positive, though, is that the MG has shelf space to rest both feet either side of the pedals when using cruise control. The Tesla has no space next to the accelerator pedal, and this negatively impacted my comfort on a long journey. Overall, the MG comes out on top for seating comfort.

The Tesla's sleek, minimalist cabin interior is attractive, but not a game changer. Call me old fashioned, but I like the alternatives of the physical toggles in the MG. Having said that, the larger and more responsive touchscreen of Tesla was superior to the MG's. There's a bit of personal bias here, though. As I only need glasses for reading, I can't use them while driving, and am often frustrated that I can't read information on my touchscreen. The size of Tesla's screen eliminated this problem completely and it was delightful to feel I could see properly again, so a point to Tesla there.

Tech:
Unsurprisingly, Tesla was generally superior on this front. Not only was the screen larger and more responsive, it has more features, such as built in dash cam and sentry mode. The sensors and cameras were superior, and increased the enjoyment and ease of the driving experience.

A little plus for the ZS, though, is that I think the music sounded better in it.

Autopilot is, of course, a major feature for Tesla. Maybe I needed to try it more, but the one time I did, it felt like it took more concentration (and tension) to supervise than to just do it myself, so concluded it wasn't worth bothering.

There are lots of other little things that demonstrate the price difference between the two cars, but for me, not enough to justify a 10k difference. Over all, whilst the Tesla was enjoyable, I'm by no means sad to be back in my MG, and haven't yet fallen to the dark side.
Additional info.
The Tesla sat on my driveway for a week as they couldn't collect it until a week after my MG had been returned. I left it with 80% charge. The day before it was due to be collected I moved it to a different position on my driveway so it could be driven off, and was shocked to find it on only 20%. I charged it overnight to 80% again, but when I checked it the next morning it had dropped to 70%. I'm guessing its Sentry mode etc. is to blame, but what's the point of features like that if they constantly drain battery. Happier with my MG ZS.
 
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