Charging from a static caravan?

[Alun26]

The price of some AirBnB at £150+ per day, a few kW extra on the electric will not dent the profit.

 

[Gadget Geek]

Taking electricity without permission is technically theft.

 

[AK OK]

Taking electricity without permission is technically theft.

Oyveh...

 

[hmadsen]

Oh true enough.

These Air BnB second home types will have to address it somehow I suppose but it won't be cheap or easy as someone will always potentially hang an extension out the window & plug in....

Absolutely.

I think they will have to change over to "pay per kilowatt" instead of "Electricity included" at some point.

My parents had a cottage they rented out, the people renting it, had to pay for electricity, based on consumption, so there, it would not have been as bad, because the people would have had to pay for what they used, but "Electricity included" is probably a thing of the past.

 

[AK OK]

Absolutely.

I think they will have to change over to "pay per kilowatt" instead of "Electricity included" at some point.

My parents had a cottage they rented out, the people renting it, had to pay for electricity, based on consumption, so there, it would not have been as bad, because the people would have had to pay for what they used, but "Electricity included" is probably a thing of the past.

Makes sense.

Practically doing that could be fun unless the owners live next door...

Can modern "smart" electricity meters be remotely read by the bill payer from a different location I wonder?

 

[hmadsen]

Makes sense.

Practically doing that could be fun unless the owners live next door...

Can modern "smart" electricity meters be remotely read by the bill payer from a different location I wonder?

The reading of the meter, was done by the renting agency's cleaning crew, that came and cleaned the cottage before the next renters came.

I bet that, EV chargers is going to be the next thing these cottage owners that make a bit of money letting people rent their cottage, is going to want.

About 10 years ago the agency said that they looked into internet connectivity, and that cottages that offered, even basic 10/10 internet, were rented 40% more than those without, and suggested that my parents had internet installed.

As said, i think the next thing they will ask to have installed is going to be EV chargers, and it could be a good deal as well, as the electricity is usually marked up a bit, so that the owner makes a bit of money on electricity as well. (They made, max £10, which people on holiday usually complain less about, as money are usually a bit more loose in their pockets, when on holiday )

They would also need to make a bit of money on the EV charging, to make back the money, they paid for the installation of the charger.

I bet this will then become a problem for the electric company, as usually these cottage areas do not have very substantial cables, and if "everyone" needs to charge their EV, i'll bet they will need to run new beefier cables.

 

[Gadget Geek]

Holiday lets would benefit from pre-paid electricity meters with a card, or coin operated so that the client is responsible for paying for what they use.

 

[AK OK]

Oh I see, bit of a faffy two step billing process maybe?
Only other thing I can think of so far is some sort of air BnB "meter" that is either "preloaded" with X pounds worth of elec as part of the rental with option to buy more, or go the whole hog & have a contactless payment meter for the whole usage?

 

[hmadsen]

Oh I see, bit of a faffy two step billing process maybe?
Only other thing I can think of so far is some sort of air BnB "meter" that is either "preloaded" with X pounds worth of elec as part of the rental with option to buy more, or go the whole hog & have a contactless payment meter for the whole usage?

The thing is, they really needed to do individual billing, because their cottage had stuff that draw a lot of power.

There were both washing machine, dishwasher, and clothes dryer and most importantly, a Sauna.

Some people just took the dirty clothes home, and did the washing up, by hand, but others used the machines and sauna extensively, so there was often a big difference in power consumption from one renter to another.

 

[AK OK]

The thing is, they really needed to do individual billing, because their cottage had stuff that draw a lot of power.

There were both washing machine, dishwasher, and clothes dryer and most importantly, a Sauna.

Some people just took the dirty clothes home, and did the washing up, by hand, but others used the machines and sauna extensively, so there was often a big difference in power consumption from one renter to another.

Yeah it gets complicated very quickly!

Another aspect is the cottage will have a "baseload" of requirements (alarm, fridge?, Heating system, CCTV, internet router etc etc) that the owners will not want to be turned off by a simple prepay meter running out of credit...

But you don't want sly customers plugging in via those & bypassing the "pay for what you use" charging scheme... So you're down to splitting the supply over two meters? with seperate circuits for "pay for" or "baseload" AND restricting physical access to the "baseload" sockets etc so it will work...

Sounds expensive!

 

[N2STY]

Can modern "smart" electricity meters be remotely read by the bill payer from a different location I wonder?

Yes you can see meter reading and it logs every 30mins

 

[hmadsen]

Yeah it gets complicated very quickly!

Another aspect is the cottage will have a "baseload" of requirements (alarm, fridge?, Heating system, CCTV, internet router etc etc) that the owners will not want to be turned off by a simple prepay meter running out of credit...

But you don't want sly customers plugging in via those & bypassing the "pay for what you use" charging scheme... So you're down to splitting the supply over two meters? with seperate circuits for "pay for" or "baseload" AND restricting physical access to the "baseload" sockets etc so it will work...

Sounds expensive!

No no, there were one meter, and people paid for the baseload as well.

When arriving the fridge /

Yeah it gets complicated very quickly!

Another aspect is the cottage will have a "baseload" of requirements (alarm, fridge?, Heating system, CCTV, internet router etc etc) that the owners will not want to be turned off by a simple prepay meter running out of credit...

But you don't want sly customers plugging in via those & bypassing the "pay for what you use" charging scheme... So you're down to splitting the supply over two meters? with seperate circuits for "pay for" or "baseload" AND restricting physical access to the "baseload" sockets etc so it will work...

Sounds expensive!

No no, the baseload was also paid for, by the users.

Baseload when not in use was VERY tiny, the fridge/freezer was turned off when the cleaning crew was cleaning, and if it had been without people for weeks, my parents would read the meter and report it to the company (Lived not that far away, and they also used it personally in between renters)

Only internet router and electric heatpump was on standby. This was to be able to turn on the heatpump remotely, some hours before people arrived, in the cold season. Renters were offcourse also paying for that heat.

To be honest, if anyone "overpaid" it would be a matter of a few pounds, so nobody cared about it, as a few pounds were typically only fractions of a percent of the total cost of their holiday.

 

[AK OK]

No no, the baseload was also paid for, by the users.

Baseload when not in use was VERY tiny, the fridge/freezer was turned off when the cleaning crew was cleaning, and if it had been without people for weeks, my parents would read the meter and report it to the company (Lived not that far away, and they also used it personally in between renters)

Only internet router and electric heatpump was on standby. This was to be able to turn on the heatpump remotely, some hours before people arrived, in the cold season. Renters were offcourse also paying for that heat.

To be honest, if anyone "overpaid" it would be a matter of a few pounds, so nobody cared about it, as a few pounds were typically only fractions of a percent of the total cost of their holiday.

That was then though...
Now if someone charges their Tesla up it would be different, which is where we came in ?

 

[hmadsen]

That was then though...
Now if someone charges their Tesla up it would be different, which is where we came in ?

Yeah exactly.

Tesla charging is definitively going to be something you would want to charge people for

incidentally i was at a "local" amusement park yesterday, they had established 20 pcs of 11/22 kwh destination chargers.

Nice to see, that tourists visiting their destination, would be able to charge up their car, while getting sick in the rollercoasters

I suspect 20 chargers are not nearly enough in the coming years, but yesterday, only 5 of those where in actual use. There was even a 1.gen ZS EV, from Norway, happily sucking away at the charger

 

[Henny]

One thing to note, if the granny charger reports an error when try to charging at a static caravan site they may have a bad earth.. as they do at the site i go to, there is mod that can be applied in your extension socket side (if your are not sure or not confident how to do this, dont)

 

[AK OK]

One thing to note, if the granny charger reports an error when try to charging at a static caravan site they may have a bad earth.. as they do at the site i go to, there is mod that can be applied in your extension socket side (if your are not sure or not confident how to do this, dont)

Gorra link?

 

[Henny]

Gorra link?

not heard of that, but on a extension lead you remove one wire the replace it with another one, don’t want to say too much in case someone try’s dose it wrong and hurts them selves or worse hurts some else

 

[AK OK]

not heard of that, but on a extension lead you remove one wire the replace it with another one, don’t want to say too much in case someone try’s dose it wrong and hurts them selves or worse hurts some else

Got a link?

 

[Johnt1480]

Hi, I plan to go on holiday to Porthcawl in South Wales for a holiday at the end of July which was originally okay as my EV was not going to be delivered until after that, but now I can have one sooner as I am willing to change colour, so it looks like I will be taking the EV on holiday.
So I was wondering if any one has used the granny charger/three pin plug to charge the EV from a Static Caravan 13 Amp outlet, as Porthcawl looking on Zap Map does not have any public fast/rapid chargers around?

If your granny cable is a portable charger the drop the Amps rating down to 6amps from its maximum of 10 / 16 amp .. It slows down the charge but will top you up nicely on a daily basis.
Then get a good charge from a Public Charger at one of the Major Supermarkets in the area.
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