Crash due to Lane keep assist.

[LenEV2016]

You shouldn't need to turn the "damn thing off" it should work as intented.
And there are far better systems out there!

If folk have money to lose the that's up to them maybe they just expect what they pay for to work and can't be bothered going through a pre flight (turn crap off that doesn't work right) check

 

[Rolfe]

Indeed. If you'd rather lose thousands than spend a few seconds turning something off, that's entirely up to you.

 

[LenEV2016]

Indeed. If you'd rather lose thousands than spend a few seconds turning something off, that's entirely up to you.

Exactly it's everyone's prerogative and people shouldn't be derided if they do

A bit rich is making an assumption because we all know how that turns out!!

Just because your LKA works doesn't mean everyones does and the fact over two years in it's still not rectified for everyone speaks volumes.

Back to the assumption bit I have driven an MG4 on numerous occasions and if you have read any of my previous posts you would have known my wife has one as a company car, has done for a year, and it is currently one of 3 ev's sitting on my drive so I have a direct comparison of various versions of the system from various manufacturers and it is the worst!!

[Gratuitous snark deleted.]

And what about the previous post that I replied to and the implication that I was what was in my avatar what was that a compliment??

Maybe you should advise that poster to have a read of stuff before attempting to be clever/humourous and failing badly at both.

Or do we only tell people off that are critical of certain aspects of the car???

Alas no update

 

[NLMGSAN]

There are far too many combinations of software and hardware installed to consider LKA to work equally for all of us.
Moreover, depending on where you drive your car (e.g. lots of in-town short ones versus country road or highway miles) you will have different experiences. So some will suffer more than others.

I do not wish to go into a discussion about turning it off each time I jump in. Turning it off by default is neither a solution, nor do I consider it acceptable (since I paid for it). Particularly if that system is considered so important that it is mandatorily activated.

 

[securespark]

I'm quite old-fashioned.

My first car did not have CL, EW, PAS, AC, or ABS, let alone the driver "aids" fitted today.

They gradually trickled down into my cars from the late 90s onwards.

I don't see these systems as crucial. I view them like I view other gizmos, whether on your car or elsewhere: if they work as they should, they're great. If not, they're less than useless.

Blind spot is helpful and seems to be reliable. Auto brake is helpful if you are reversing towards a hazard or obstacle you haven't seen or can't see.

But TBH, I wouldn't be fazed if my next car didn't have them at all, not that that's an option.

The next best thing might be a cancel button, though...

 

[wattmatters]

And it takes seconds to turn the damn thing off.

I have to navigate menus with multiple screen taps to do this. It's definitely more than "seconds".

A steering wheel control option would be far preferable so it can be safely and easily switched on/off while driving. Anything requiring the driver to use the touch screen to change a driving aid setting is an unsafe UI.

 

[Rolfe]

I absolutely agree with you. (Although I'd say it was maybe 20 seconds, I haven't really timed it.) But since I can't change how it is, and I have absolutely no intention of selling my car on account of this, then I reckon the best thing I can do is just do it, and not get bent out of shape about it.

 

[wattmatters]

I reckon the best thing I can do is just do it, and not get bent out of shape about it.

I'm not bent out of shape, just pointing out it is quite an inconvenience.

I mean just check this nonsense...

I drove to our local regional centre and back today so I video recorded the process when I got in my car each time. The LKA disable option often doesn't even appear, then it decides to show its face after a while. Happens quite regularly.



And for those wondering about the swipe down from the top of screen option, it does not provide any option for this:



So I give up usually, just drive with it, and suffer the occasional brown pants moment on our country roads.

I pity those who need to make frequent stops and have to put up with this nonsense.

 

[Coulomb]

The LKA disable option often doesn't even appear, then it decides to show its face after a while.

You won't be able to disable LKA until the car is in ready mode. Could this account for it not showing up sometimes?

The best solution is to get the firmware that tames the LKA, then there is virtually no need to turn it off. My Australian 2024 MG4 came with it tamed on delivery. I actually think it's too tame now, but that's liveable. I just leave it on now, and don't make any changes at all on start-up. Sadly, this leaves One Pedal Driving off, but I guess I can turn that on when waiting at lights or for traffic those times that I want it.

 

[ReintjeWA]

The best solution is to get the firmware that tames the LKA, then there is virtually no need to turn it off. My Australian 2024 MG4 came with it tamed on delivery.

Yeah I’ve found my LKA to be fairly subdued. I know one or two spots it always seems to trigger (cresting hill tops interestingly enough) but it never jerks the steering wheel that hard, and I can always maintain the wheels straight. It makes me wonder sometimes, like you said, if it’s gone too tame, as it is so easy to override, provided you have a good grasp of the wheel.

I can see how an inexperienced driver may get caught out by this system though, and that’s not good enough, this should be a safe car for all levels of driving. In reference to the OP.

 

[wattmatters]

The best solution is to get the firmware that tames the LKA

To do that I either have to wait a long time (first service is after 2 years), or pay a lot of money.

You won't be able to disable LKA until the car is in ready mode. Could this account for it not showing up sometimes?

Possibly. It's a bit confusing having the other options available but not LKA.

Sadly, this leaves One Pedal Driving off, but I guess I can turn that on when waiting at lights or for traffic those times that I want it.

OPD should just be a 5th option for regen - which can easily be toggled with the steering wheel star button cycling through A, 1, 2, 3 & O.. If OPD is unavailable then leave it out of the sequence.

 

[Coulomb]

It's a bit confusing having the other options available but not LKA.

Agreed!

 

[LenEV2016]

I absolutely agree with you. (Although I'd say it was maybe 20 seconds, I haven't really timed it.) But since I can't change how it is, and I have absolutely no intention of selling my car on account of this, then I reckon the best thing I can do is just do it, and not get bent out of shape about it.

People maybe aren't bent out of shape they just can't be bothered with the hassle, again no one should be criticised because they don't put up with it any longer.

It's an inconvenience and the pre flight check nonsense is just excusing it

 

[tsedge]

I was casually turning off LKA in preparation to driving home from choir practice last night, and remarked to my passenger, that didn't take long, did it? She said, what didn't take long? I explained about disabling LKA. Would you believe that there are people who (claim to be) selling their cars because doing that at the start of each journey is too much trouble? You're kidding me, was the reply.

I agree with you about selling the car just because of this. I would never do that and that does seem an overreaction.

However, when it comes to time to change my car, which I do every 3-4 years, then it is precisely this kind of irritation that can be the decider between taking another MG or going elsewhere.

I am coming up to two years soon and I am in two minds about whether to continue: on the one hand the driving experience and value are unparalleled, on the other hand reliability and service has been poor. It is genuinely a difficult decision.

In that context, minor irritations become magnified and can be the deciding factor, even though objectively they shouldn't; for example the single button push to set my settings that Renault offers looks really appealing even though I don't really want front wheel drive.

What is it that they say about relationships? It is the little things that trigger the big change.

 

[LenEV2016]

I agree with you about selling the car just because of this. I would never do that and that does seem an overreaction.

However, when it comes to time to change my car, which I do every 3-4 years, then it is precisely this kind of irritation that can be the decider between taking another MG or going elsewhere.

I am coming up to two years soon and I am in two minds about whether to continue: on the one hand the driving experience and value are unparalleled, on the other hand reliability and service has been poor. It is genuinely a difficult decision.

In that context, minor irritations become magnified and can be the deciding factor, even though objectively they shouldn't; for example the single button push to set my settings that Renault offers looks really appealing even though I don't really want front wheel drive.

What is it that they say about relationships? It is the little things that trigger the big change.

Totally reasonable response and when you come to change your car there are now so many options and so many good deals, compared to even 2 years ago that you can have your pick.

Far better this response than others that just try to shrug off the inconvenience/pain that it is or a denial/ mock of other people's perception of the issue

 

[OriginalBigAl]

I agree with you about selling the car just because of this. I would never do that and that does seem an overreaction.

However, when it comes to time to change my car, which I do every 3-4 years, then it is precisely this kind of irritation that can be the decider between taking another MG or going elsewhere.

I am coming up to two years soon and I am in two minds about whether to continue: on the one hand the driving experience and value are unparalleled, on the other hand reliability and service has been poor. It is genuinely a difficult decision.

In that context, minor irritations become magnified and can be the deciding factor, even though objectively they shouldn't; for example the single button push to set my settings that Renault offers looks really appealing even though I don't really want front wheel drive.

What is it that they say about relationships? It is the little things that trigger the big change.

I hope everyone concerned with MG and SAIC reads your post, you are exactly the repeat customer they should be trying to keep, and apart from the reliability issues ( which can happen with any car ) the other concerns you have are so easily fixable. Would I be exaggerating if I said that getting to the 3-4 year point many other forum and non forum owners would feel the same.

 

[LenEV2016]

I hope everyone concerned with MG and SAIC reads your post, you are exactly the repeat customer they should be trying to keep, and apart from the reliability issues ( which can happen with any car ) the other concerns you have are so easily fixable. Would I be exaggerating if I said that getting to the 3-4 year point many other forum and non forum owners would feel the same.

Nail on head

 

[JonnyG]

Yep, my car PCP ends Sept 2025 and due to the depreciation on it already I will have to give it back to the finance company or suffer a good few £1000 loss to keep it.

I then have to decide what to buy next and while I love my Xpower on the whole, I do not have any faith in MG UK or SAIC now, so have exactly the same feeling as @tsedge above.

With regard to the topic - LKA - MG UK have openly admitted that it needs fixing so there can be no argument as to whether it is currently satisfactory for all users surely ? Just because some people have no issues with it does not mean all owners have no issues with it.

Quote from MG (source from Which?) :-

"MG said: ‘We are aware of some inconsistencies relating to the lane-departure warning system which can make the system oversensitive under certain conditions.

'We have been working on a continuous improvement programme with the supplier and the relevant regulatory authorities.

‘This has resulted in an improved calibration of the ADAS systems, which we are close to having approved. Once this has been completed, we will implement it as a full software upgrade at no expense to the customer"

 

[siteguru]

And we're still waiting for it .....

My car's 2nd service is on Thursday next week - I'll report afterwards as to whether any updates were applied, and if one of them was related to LKA.

 

[Rolfe]

I absolutely agree that MG are not shaping up to attract repeat custom.