EV opposition in the media is ramping up

[Tweed98]

The number of EV fires will inevitably be higher than that now as EV take up is considerably higher, still much less than the CIE fires though.

 

[siteguru]

True ... the real metric is number of fires per X number of cars. (e.g. fires per 1.,000 cars). Then comparing the ratios between ICE and EV.

And then there's the complicating factor of ... are hybrids classed as ICE or EV?

(Presumably the reference to EV actually meant BEV)

Luton airport fire from another angle:



Supposedly shows the car as being a 2014 Range Rover Sport TDV6, so not even a hybrid.

 

[Robf]

The number of EV fires will inevitably be higher than that now as EV take up is considerably higher, still much less than the CIE fires though.

Interestingly the Swedish study found that although the number of EV vehicles had doubled in 3 years the amount catching fire had stayed the same (very few compared to ICE). It could be explained by the continuing development of vehicle battery technologies.

 

[halogen]

Whenever I meet people who doesn't think ev is the future ill just show them this.

 

[Tweed98]

True ... the real metric is number of fires per X number of cars. (e.g. fires per 1.,000 cars). Then comparing the ratios between ICE and EV.

And then there's the complicating factor of ... are hybrids classed as ICE or EV?

(Presumably the reference to EV actually meant BEV)

It would also help to see what caused the fire, Accident, Electrical Fasult, Arson, Range Rover etc....

 

[halogen]

can't wait for blade battery in commercial evs...

 

[halogen]

this is NCM battery vs LFP battery puncture test...

so glad i bought the short range mg4...



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[Rolfe]

I saw these videos earlier, and I have to say that I'm thrilled to bits with my LFP battery. But to be fair, NMC batteries don't catch fire very often!

 

[Ruislip Resident]

What battery is the LR?

 

[halogen]

What battery is the LR?

NCM sadly .

 

[halogen]

I saw these videos earlier, and I have to say that I'm thrilled to bits with my LFP battery. But to be fair, NMC batteries don't catch fire very often!

Yes both batteries have different pros and cons. To be fair puncture is is the extreme of the extreme. For example u get rollovered and then a truck with spikes rammed into u... of course thats highly unlikely...

 

[Rolfe]

The NMC battery is much better if you need to do long journeys with the minimum of charging delay. I think it would also suit people who can't charge at home, because it doesn't need balanced so often. You can run it up and down in the middle of its capacity, using rapid chargers if you like, and only have to arrange for it to sit on an AC charger to 100% once a month. And we are not seeing epidemic of fires in NMC batteries.

So it's horses for courses. I like the simplicity of managing an LFP battery, the extra safety and the additional longevity. But I can charge at home and I don't have to do long journeys under time pressure. If I did, I wouldn't have had any hesitation in getting the LR version.

 

[halogen]

The NMC battery is much better if you need to do long journeys with the minimum of charging delay. I think it would also suit people who can't charge at home, because it doesn't need balanced so often. You can run it up and down in the middle of its capacity, using rapid chargers if you like, and only have to arrange for it to sit on an AC charger to 100% once a month. And we are not seeing epidemic of fires in NMC batteries.

So it's horses for courses. I like the simplicity of managing an LFP battery, the extra safety and the additional longevity. But I can charge at home and I don't have to do long journeys under time pressure. If I did, I wouldn't have had any hesitation in getting the LR version.

very nice input. im in indonesia. temperature can get as high as 40celcius here... so my choice is lfp. besides im hauling children. i would like to add a sense of security .
i think further down the line of tech and infrastructure, range would not be an issue. with onboard charge tech can get as high as few hundreds kwh in the car, plus the availability of fast charging network around the country. i think lfp would be a safer bet in the long run for reliability, degradation and fire hazard. the development of evs batteries are evolving, for people who can wait to buy an ev should wait, but i think this is a good time to jup into ev while petrol is climbing up slowly...

 

[Rolfe]

very nice input. im in indonesia. temperature can get as high as 40celcius here... so my choice is lfp. besides im hauling children. i would like to add a sense of security .
i think further down the line of tech and infrastructure, range would not be an issue. with onboard charge tech can get as high as few hundreds kwh in the car, plus the availability of fast charging network around the country. i think lfp would be a safer bet in the long run for reliability, degradation and fire hazard. the development of evs batteries are evolving, for people who can wait to buy an ev should wait, but i think this is a good time to jup into ev while petrol is climbing up slowly...

I'm in Scotland where it can get quite chilly, but people who have the SR here seem quite happy. I haven't been through a winter with it yet, but if it will keep on taking me to Glasgow and back on a single charge with the heating on I'll be satisfied. (It's about 100 miles round trip.)

 

[siteguru]

You should do that no problem - even on super-chilly days.

 

[Rolfe]

That was my explicit calculation when I bought the SE SR. Since then I have discovered there are destination chargers in the car park I use in Glasgow (4 hour limit) but I hope not to need them. In a pinch I could stop at Carnwath for 10 minutes on a 50 Kw CPS charger just to be sure I'd get home, but I really don't want to do that at midnight in the freezing rain.

 

[Rolfe]

Regarding the Luton fire, I have had some fun posting the link to this image to everyone who was declaring that the car was a hybrid, or that diesel doesn't burn, or that diesel smoke isn't that colour, or that they could tell it was an EV battery by the intensity of the fire or whatever.

Childish, but satisfying.

 

[tsedge]

It is amazing that they think diesel can't catch fire with heat, you know, like with a hot engine or in circumstances such as with a small electrical fire.

Obviously totally safe then ???

 

[Rolfe]

Some of them are talking as if there has never been a fire in a diesel car, ever. Vehicle fires just didn't happen until EVs came on the scene, you know, so of course it must have been an EV.

Even if EVs were as dangerous as they claim, that still wouldn't mean that diesel fires suddenly, miraculously, became impossible!

 

[Lovemyev]

Another confirmation video of a oil burner involved in the Luton fire ( as if we needed it ) ? .