Petrol v Electric cars. ??

[Bricktop X PWR]

Horses for courses and all that.

I've owned and used all the variations of motive power over the last 4 years and was mis sold my Self Charging Toyota CHR as far as I was concerned.

It ran 99% on the engine.
The EV side of things was woeful.
Manoeuvring in a car park was about as much as it could achieve.

I understood that the electric motor was supposed to 'support' the engine to give superior fuel economy but being a 2 litre that needed thrashing to see any progress, kept me mid 30's at best.

My BMW 330e Plug in Hybrid was much better.
It could do 80mph on just the electric motor and had a 30 mile range.
Much more usable.
Still a bloody pain though.
No way to DC charge.
Took 6 hours to charge the battery.
But if you only did short journeys it would be an interesting stepping stone to full EV.

Then the Tesla Model 3.
I had arrived in the future!
It was an interesting learning curve to be sure!
I knew then that I would never ever go back to ICE.

 

[Roldorf]

'Plug in Hybrid'. Guy on our street has a Ford Plug in Hybrid (he lives on the side of the street where you can park). He never charges it (I asked him) and bought it because it was heavily discounted by the Ford dealer and was eligible for the government rebate scheme. I don't think I have ever seen a hybrid charging and I only charge at public charging stations as I have no access to my household sockets (heavy fine for parking on my side of the street).

 

[tsedge]

My neighbour has a PHEV and plugs it in every night.

 

[johnb80]

I thought the so-called "self-charging hybrids" might have some advantage as simply being an ICE with a range extender.

The so called self charging hybrid can recoup some energy whilst slowing down and in theory can aid performance when accelerating. The problem is the extra weight of the electric motor and transmission plus the battery. The potential gains are less than zero, the car would be better with the electric traction removed. They do of course attract better road tax band by having the 'hybrid' label attached and ditto BIK etc.

It's the plug-in hybrids that make absolutely no sense to me, in just the way you say.

Plug in Hybrids make absolute sense for some people. We ran a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV for 5 years. My wife used it for her daily commute to work - 3 miles each way, occasional shopping trips (30 miles or so) and twice weekly for her Dancing (19 miles). The Outlander had a range on electric of around 18 miles so it did the work trips daily on electric, the dancing and shopping half was done on electric. When it was running in electric drive mode it managed a reasonable 3.5 miles / kWh which for a decent sized 4x4 was pretty good. For people that exceed the 20 miles per day routine, it too is a pointless Hybrid but for low mileages it was absolutely brilliant.

Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding. Never saw the point in either.

It purely depends on application but it's the plugin hybrid only that can make sense.

 

[siteguru]

One of the alleged benefits of the "self charging" hybrids is that the electric motor can be used for (or to aid) traction whilst the petrol engine is running at constant revs, so at its most efficient. (Called the Atkinson Cycle I believe).

 

[EVsince2016]

Just watched it and it's not too bad, even Fully Charged were on there plus many pro EV people.

Overall very positive towards EVs. Yes, both leaving at 25% was daft but they openly stated that in reality you'd leave on 100% and not need to charge.

In reality, used car prices & the performance were a draw but I suspect the script required a draw!

Petrol = EV lol

 

[DaevM]

Did I miss something??

 

[johnb80]

Did I miss something??

Nope, it would have been 30 minutes of your life wasted which you couldnt get back.

 

[Anon70]

They should have put the petrolhead in the Ioniq 5 N, that would have given them a simulated jolt when the gears changed, a rev limiter to bounce off of and some noises to "engage" them. Probably would have beaten the petrol Merc for acceleration as well.

But it is kind of like a vegan being sold vegan burgers and hot dogs. The whole point is you are no longer interested in meat products so why would you want to buy things that simulate them?

 

[Bricktop X PWR]

Did I miss something??

On demand m8 ?
Or Ch 5 catch up service.
Might even be on YouTube.

 

[salty]

They should have put the petrolhead in the Ioniq 5 N, that would have given them a simulated jolt when the gears changed, a rev limiter to bounce off of and some noises to "engage" them. Probably would have beaten the petrol Merc for acceleration as well.

But it is kind of like a vegan being sold vegan burgers and hot dogs. The whole point is you are no longer interested in meat products so why would you want to buy things that simulate them?

Totally agree. ?

 

[DaevM]

Nope, it would have been 30 minutes of your life wasted which you couldnt get back.

Hate it when that happens. Thanks for the precis ,??. Well avoided ( albeit by accident ?)

On demand m8 ?
Or Ch 5 catch up service.
Might even be on YouTube.

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Think I'll give it a miss ta ?.
Life's too short and I know EXACTLY what the content'll be. Love a bit of bias as much as the next person but this is just becoming wholly tiresome and to be honest I DON'T CARE!!
I know and that's the important thing.
I tell others if I like them and each to their own. ??

For entertainment I've been watching Kaos - now that's worth my time ??

 

[m4rmite]

The weekend is here, so remember boys and girls....

Set off on those long journeys with 25% charge and go direct to the 85p per kwh chargers.?

 

[Caramaddy]

QUOTE: The so called self charging hybrid can recoup some energy whilst slowing down and in theory can aid performance when accelerating. The problem is the extra weight of the electric motor and transmission plus the battery. The potential gains are less than zero, the car would be better with the electric traction removed.

The battery, though relatively small, actually aids economy. I do not believe a 2.5 litre petrol SUV could beat my Lexus NX300h for economy. I do appreciate your reasoning on extra power if needed. Again, it all depends on how you drive. Lexus hybrids with the CVT gearbox are not designed for spirited driving. The engine noise, during fast acceleration, would become tiresome after a while.

 

[johnb80]

QUOTE: The so called self charging hybrid can recoup some energy whilst slowing down and in theory can aid performance when accelerating. The problem is the extra weight of the electric motor and transmission plus the battery. The potential gains are less than zero, the car would be better with the electric traction removed.

The battery, though relatively small, actually aids economy. I do not believe a 2.5 litre petrol SUV could beat my Lexus NX300h for economy. I do appreciate your reasoning on extra power if needed. Again, it all depends on how you drive. Lexus hybrids with the CVT gearbox are not designed for spirited driving. The engine noise, during fast acceleration, would become tiresome after a while.

I bet the exact same Lexus without the hybrid weight would beat it in consumption, it has to, less weight, less drag etc.

 

[Wil Tryharder]

(And yes, I still have working Betamax.)

It was a really good format, we had hundreds of the broadcast versions in our edit suits. It wasn’t all good though…. It spawned the ‘Reality TV’ genre. And look how well that went! ?
Do you do transfers to mpeg?

 

[Caramaddy]

I bet the exact same Lexus without the hybrid weight would beat it in consumption, it has to, less weight, less drag etc.

To be fair John, it would depend on the type of journey. The electric takes over in short slow journeys, when the ICE would be at its most inefficient. This really aids overall economy.
The latest Toyota hybrids ( generation 5?) are even better.

 

[Anon70]

This was a bit more balanced in letting those new to EV's know a bit more about how they work, and how they are different to ICE vehicles.

 

[m4rmite]

This was a bit more balanced in letting those new to EV's know a bit more about how they work, and how they are different to ICE vehicles.

I sent this video to a non ev friend and said this is what should have been on.

 

[Wil Tryharder]

I knew then that I would never ever go back to ICE.

And that’s the end game right there!
We spent nearly three years waiting for the EV market in Aus to grow. Held back by various Factors. I chatted to dozens of EV owners in various locations and my final question was always the same. ‘Will you even go back’? And everyone to date has answered ‘No, never’! Without hesitation. ?