Should I cancel my ZSEV order because of rising energy costs?

[ID Korean MG]

The way UK electricity price makes me wonder whether to cancel the ZS.

In Oct it will be 51p/kWh and when include stranding charge and energy lost it could cost like 54-55p/kWh received by EV.

My current petrol can get 33m/g on average regardless of outside temperature cause always on climate control cost £7.90.

To get 33 miles on ZS at the comfort and speed I travel in my petrol it might cost about 2.6-3m/kWh in summer/spring/autumn £ 6-7 probably 2.2-2.6 in winter £7-8.25 in October time charging at home. If I have to charge at public charger might cost about 65-66p/kWh at 3-7KW charger £ 7.30 - 8.40 and at DC charger could cost 76-77p/kWh £ 8.40 - 9.65 apart from winter time.

in winter might cost more, well Oct almost starting to cold for EV at AC charger £8.40 - 9.90 and at DC charger £9.70 - 11.40.

While petrol will only cost about 190p/l and for 33 miles about £ 8.65 with the availability of petrol in my car within 10 minutes to full tank which cover more than 320 miles at ease.

So far my ZS will not arrive till the end of Oct.

Even though petrol prices went up it now came down a bit. However electricity will only increase every 3 months. By the time of next price cap in Jan who knows might even reach to 60. And yet the charging infrastructure will be way behind.

So anyone has any thoughts about going with EV in UK??

I want my ZS but the price of energy saying no to it. Yes there is less cost for maintenance and tax and parking but EV has battery degradation and still need maintenance. Beside by the time I might received my ZS its already 18 months old tech for used car market.

Any advice guys???

 

[LazzzzYx]

I think you have got your numbers super wrong here

33mpg means 4.5litres
190 miles (min range of SR) 44kWh

So 5.75 gallons is 27 litres x £1.90 is £51

Even at an excessive 60p per kWh
That’s only £26 and still have the fuel cost

And that’s using minimum mileage and triple current cost of electricity
And don’t forget it not the usage that’s going up massively it’s the standing charge

 

[fatboyfat1981]

Might want to check your maths mate.

Before I signed my life away I worked out that the equivalent electric cost to be par with Diesel at £1.50 a litre @ 45mpg was 80p/kWh

 

[Jomarkh]

So anyone has any thoughts about going with EV in UK?

Are you buying a car in the UK

 

[Nutnut]

The way UK electricity price makes me wonder whether to cancel the ZS.

In Oct it will be 51p/kWh and when include stranding charge and energy lost it could cost like 54-55p/kWh received by EV.

My current petrol can get 33m/g on average regardless of outside temperature cause always on climate control cost £7.90.

To get 33 miles on ZS at the comfort and speed I travel in my petrol it might cost about 2.6-3m/kWh in summer/spring/autumn £ 6-7 probably 2.2-2.6 in winter £7-8.25 in October time charging at home. If I have to charge at public charger might cost about 65-66p/kWh at 3-7KW charger £ 7.30 - 8.40 and at DC charger could cost 76-77p/kWh £ 8.40 - 9.65 apart from winter time.

in winter might cost more, well Oct almost starting to cold for EV at AC charger £8.40 - 9.90 and at DC charger £9.70 - 11.40.

While petrol will only cost about 190p/l and for 33 miles about £ 8.65 with the availability of petrol in my car within 10 minutes to full tank which cover more than 320 miles at ease.

So far my ZS will not arrive till the end of Oct.

Even though petrol prices went up it now came down a bit. However electricity will only increase every 3 months. By the time of next price cap in Jan who knows might even reach to 60. And yet the charging infrastructure will be way behind.

So anyone has any thoughts about going with EV in UK??

I want my ZS but the price of energy saying no to it. Yes there is less cost for maintenance and tax and parking but EV has battery degradation and still need maintenance. Beside by the time I might received my ZS its already 18 months old tech for used car market.

Any advice guys???

You mention it being 65-66p/kWh to use a 3-7kW public charger, but I note your location is London - are there no lamp post chargers in your area? Last I checked Ubitricity were nowhere near that expensive even with the increase and connection fee. Or are you talking about instances when you're charging away from home?

 

[ID Korean MG]

Are you buying a car in the UK

Yes.

I don't know about how others mi/kWh on ZS. Personally for me expecting 2.2-2.6 in winter and 2.6-3 at other times.

When I test drove ID4 77 kWh in December with 20 inch wheels for 48 hrs couldn't get better than 2.2 on motorways. I turned up the heat to the whole cabin to 26 yet didn't felt like its actually trying to blow 26 after 90 mins drive on motorways at speed of 65-overtaking speed on speedo. Around that time temp 7-17. Also steering and seat heater were on.

I later test drove ZS LR Connect two months later with temp 11-20 and at 24 for the whole cabin its get too hot and had to turned down to 21 on the same journeys with similar speed with battery heater on for 30 mins for 90 mins trip. Managed to get 2.8.

I had to turn up the notch a bit to see what the consumption will like when needed. In real life driving of myself, I might get about 2.4 on ID4 and 3 on ZS may be 2.9 cause I intend to heat up the battery for better charging curve.

Both cars were plugged to 100% before carrying out about 2 hrs motorways round trip. Being at 100% put the battery at certain temp I hope. Cause couldn't get the right OBD at that time.

At the end of 48 hrs test drive ID4 average at 2.5 for 189 miles and ZS average at 3.1 for 192 miles both cars were not at eco mode.

I don't know how to get 4.32mi/kWh even from about 200kg lighter ZS SR.

 

[ID Korean MG]

You mention it being 65-66p/kWh to use a 3-7kW public charger, but I note your location is London - are there no lamp post chargers in your area? Last I checked Ubitricity were nowhere near that expensive even with the increase and connection fee. Or are you talking about instances when you're charging away from home?

Ubicity was 28p at the time of cap was 22. Now the cap is at 28 their rate at 35p. In October cap will rise to 51p I don't think they will charge less than 60p and I'm expecting about 62 and with energy lost I'm expecting around 65.

My current electricity is default tariff and couldn't change at the moment. Beside I do about 300 miles trip away from home each week and about 100 within reach of my home. So looking at cap rate for 150-200 miles and the rest on public.

 

[Nutnut]

Ubicity was 28p at the time of cap was 22. Now the cap is at 28 their rate at 35p. In October cap will rise to 51p I don't think they will charge less than 60p and I'm expecting about 62 and with energy lost I'm expecting around 65.

My current electricity is default tariff and couldn't change at the moment. Beside I do about 300 miles trip away from home each week and about 100 within reach of my home. So looking at cap rate for 150-200 miles and the rest on public.

35p is the connection fee. So you reckon their rate which was recently increased to 32p/kWh, will nearly double to at least 60p/kWh?

Edit: Or were you meaning that your rate locally is 35p/kWh in addition to the 35p connection fee?

 

[Nibloprice]

Day to day driving in an electric is cheaper than an ICE, probably by half. Even on a motorway, but especially on A/B roads. If that’s your rationale for saving money then I would go for it.

 

[Gadget Geek]

If you are going to be doing a lot of public charging, it would probably benefit you having a subscription to one of the networks which for a monthly fee give you a cheaper rate per kWh.

 

[Kithmo]

Your mi/kWh figures look too low. You should get at least 2.8mi/kWh in winter and well over 4 mi/kWh in summer.
Get on a fixed electricity tariff before the October rise, preferably with a cheap overnight rate if you have a smart meter.
It is always going to cost you more if you don't have a way of charging at home. The charger providers are having to put 20% VAT on the cost, compared to only 5% at home.

 

[Waiting in Ireland]

The way UK electricity price makes me wonder whether to cancel the ZS.

In Oct it will be 51p/kWh and when include stranding charge and energy lost it could cost like 54-55p/kWh received by EV.

My current petrol can get 33m/g on average regardless of outside temperature cause always on climate control cost £7.90.

To get 33 miles on ZS at the comfort and speed I travel in my petrol it might cost about 2.6-3m/kWh in summer/spring/autumn £ 6-7 probably 2.2-2.6 in winter £7-8.25 in October time charging at home. If I have to charge at public charger might cost about 65-66p/kWh at 3-7KW charger £ 7.30 - 8.40 and at DC charger could cost 76-77p/kWh £ 8.40 - 9.65 apart from winter time.

in winter might cost more, well Oct almost starting to cold for EV at AC charger £8.40 - 9.90 and at DC charger £9.70 - 11.40.

While petrol will only cost about 190p/l and for 33 miles about £ 8.65 with the availability of petrol in my car within 10 minutes to full tank which cover more than 320 miles at ease.

So far my ZS will not arrive till the end of Oct.

Even though petrol prices went up it now came down a bit. However electricity will only increase every 3 months. By the time of next price cap in Jan who knows might even reach to 60. And yet the charging infrastructure will be way behind.

So anyone has any thoughts about going with EV in UK??

I want my ZS but the price of energy saying no to it. Yes there is less cost for maintenance and tax and parking but EV has battery degradation and still need maintenance. Beside by the time I might received my ZS its already 18 months old tech for used car market.

Any advice guys???

Hi guys,
Maybe to clarify and even expand on the Public EV charge rates.
Its becoming close to uneconomic to have to charge on Public chargers at the current rates and even more so, when they appear to be going (North).
A 72.46kw battery charged at a public meter here is .43.6c per kwh, with a summer range of approx 450 klm equates to approx .07c per klm.
Previous car was a Seat Arona that did 5.1L per 100klm consistently. Diesel costing 1.95 per L the costs would be near 10c per klm. However with Winter coming on and electric costs rising it would not be a big guess that the costs will soon be equal, so with the cost of purchase etc it makes EV's a non-starter.
Home charging is the only option but with the restrictions on range for how long is that sustainable?
Now if you want to take your EV abroad it gets even worse as .84c per kwh seems to be the norm (Chargepass) which makes it an eye watering .13.5c per Klm.
Where is the GREEN argument now? Is it the usual situation that the Green policies are for corporations only and cost the public, big time every time they legislate.
It appears that the EV dream is quickly becoming a nightmare.
Politicians can waffle on all they want but this energy thing is of their making ..... no ifs no buts.

 

[chowbenter]

I'm using public transport just as much as my MG ZS EV presently, I'm retired & have my concessionary travel pass to use. My area in greater Manchester GMTE are capping bus fares on the 1st September to £2 per single journey across the nine boroughs which is a huge area no matter how many buses you use for your journey, Kids fares are £1.

 

[Fokmg]

May be it is the time to learn to be a bit more economical with our behaviour and save energy by the way we drive our cars whatever it uses petrol diesel or electric.
Two pieces of advice;-
Anticipate the road ahead drive smoothly and get rid of the lead foot
In winter time wear sensible clothing

Remember politicains are idiots and will not resolve this problem but we can.

Just remember there is still a limited supply of energy and it needs to be used with restraint

 

[megamac]

You mention it being 65-66p/kWh to use a 3-7kW public charger, but I note your location is London - are there no lamp post chargers in your area? Last I checked Ubitricity were nowhere near that expensive even with the increase and connection fee. Or are you talking about instances when you're charging away from home?

You are correct in saying that Ubitricity is quite good value in London. I live in central London and not only have they erected charging points in resident parking bays, but there is just a 35p connection fee and then 35p per kWh. Pain to do an 30-100% charge (12h or more) but there is no fee for parking in residents bays when you have a permit.

 

[NickHeynes]

One thing that I haven't heard much about is the customer's ability to negotiate with their energy supplier.
British gas wanted to increase my direct debit for my electricity from £90 to £182 per month last time round. I have an online account and went into their online chat and managed to increase to £120 . I am currently in credit to the tune of £256.00 . They do try it on a bit with the increases. They want the money in their account after all.
They would far rather be receiving some money than none if their customers cant afford to pay the increase.

 

[Nutnut]

You are correct in saying that Ubitricity is quite good value in London. I live in central London and not only have they erected charging points in resident parking bays, but there is just a 35p connection fee and then 35p per kWh. Pain to do an 30-100% charge (12h or more) but there is no fee for parking in residents bays when you have a permit.

The only thing I'm wary of is what Ubitricity might put the fee up to if they implement another rise. I will have to rely solely on public charging, so am keeping a close eye on it. That being said, it'd have to be a significant bump to come close to the price per mile I pay now using unleaded.

Like you mentioned, these are in resident parking bays in our area too. I have to pay for a permit anyway, so the fact I can get a discount on this when I have a battery car will help somewhat to offset the public charging cost. Ideally with a long range, I should be able to do a charge once or twice a week. Hopefully more people will submit a request to the council to increase the number of them.

 

[NickHeynes]

I'm now seriously having second thoughts as to whether changing to an EV will actually be the economical choice it was going to be!!
Looks like my electricity supplier is going to be charging 59p per Kwh . In 2021 I consumed 5273 kwh.
Total for this yr based on just the October rises( and we know ther'es going to be more) = £3275 ish for next yr . which equates to £273 per month
£399 for car plus home charging say twice a week lets say I put 50kwh in that's £59.
so around £240 per month.

Total £640 ish.


Does that look right llol ?


Amount I'm paying for my current ICE car £235 + Around £270 for fuel each month .
Total £505.

If those figures are right then I might possibly just as well continue my lease/pepper corn rental or buy my existing car out right, ( Which puts pay to all my arguments about not ever buying a car!)

Unless the Govt get it's finger out

 

[Waiting in Ireland]

I'm now seriously having second thoughts as to whether changing to an EV will actually be the economical choice it was going to be!!
Looks like my electricity supplier is going to be charging 59p per Kwh . In 2021 I consumed 5273 kwh.
Total for this yr based on just the October rises( and we know ther'es going to be more) = £3275 ish for next yr . which equates to £273 per month
£399 for car plus home charging say twice a week lets say I put 50kwh in that's £59.
so around £240 per month.

Total £640 ish.


Does that look right llol ?


Amount I'm paying for my current ICE car £235 + Around £270 for fuel each month .
Total £505.

If those figures are right then I might possibly just as well continue my lease/pepper corn rental or buy my existing car out right, ( Which puts pay to all my arguments about not ever buying a car!)

Unless the Govt get it's finger out

It looks like the only way you can have an EV is to charge it at home 95% of the time (even this might be questionable if this energy nonsense doesn't stop), also don't consider doing the drive around the continent as the E.U. doesn't even have a EV charging standard throughout the different countries. The infrastructure is a mess different cards, different rates and a host of different conditions i.e. in Portugal you require a Tax number. If the same applied to ICE cars, very few people would drive abroad. The greens and the E.U. pushed the EV without a moments forward thinking. So unless you want to just drive local it doesn't make sense.

 

[N2STY]

I would also factoring the congestion charge if you live near London?