Real World X Power mi/kWh Thread.

[Bricktop X PWR]

Keeping it brief:-

Additional drive train loss due to the front motor (even when front motor isn't in use)
Additional weight (circa 150kg AFAIK)

Even the rated range of the LR Trophy (same battery and 'toys') is officially 16% better due to the above.

Also X Power drivers predisposition to Beanage when dispatching twonks.

This can seriously affect efficiency.

(Probably only me.....but I doubt it)

 

[jamherber]

Also X Power drivers predisposition to Beanage when dispatching twonks.

This can seriously affect efficiency.

(Probably only me.....but I doubt it)

No not just you. I do try and resist but rarely can. It's always nice to see that car that was stuck to your bumper through the 30mph limit disappearing in your mirror as you pass the NSL sign....

 

[Anon70]

Also X Power drivers predisposition to Beanage when dispatching twonks.

This can seriously affect efficiency.

(Probably only me.....but I doubt it)

To paraphrase a quote from 1887...Power tends to corrupt; absolute Xpower corrupts absolutely ?

 

[DavecUK]

The X power is obviously owned by sons of "Sir" Ed Davey.

 

[Soultrappa]

???

You don't own an X Power do you?

ut if you are in eco mode in the xpower...neither do you. It's equivalent to the the range with the highest powered RWD. Trophy or LR, I dunno.

No, but it shouldn't make any difference...The energy used to propel an MG 4 X Power shouldn't be very much different to an MG 4 LR. Drag is going to be the same, and I would imagine the weight won't be very different either.

Unless you can explain where I have misunderstood and why the energy usage per mile will be drastically different at a given speed....unless of course you drive it like you stole it.

because if in sports mode especially and normal most of the time, 2 motors are running instead of one. in eco mode they are the same tho.

 

[Bricktop X PWR]

ut if you are in eco mode in the xpower...neither do you. It's equivalent to the the range with the highest powered RWD. Trophy or LR, I dunno.

I think you will find that regardless of what mode I am in, I do indeed own an X Power.
Goodnight Irene. ?

 

[Soultrappa]

You were to quick to reply without actually comprehending my post correctly.

I know you own an xpower, that is evident by how you have told people in multiple threads that this is the Xpower board discussion. Not always in the most positive way I may add.

What I am saying is effectively, you are in the exact same vehicle as the other RWD only range which matches the rear motor size, as you are sitting in an xpower.

So you can test the efficiency xpower and trophy against each other when the xpower is in eco and only using the rear motor.

So Irene says again, if you are in an xpower on eco, neither do you, because it's irrelevant bar one thing, the weight of the front motor, however the power to drive the front motor is much more. You sat in eco in an xpower means you are in virtually, the exact same car as the dude you said 'You don't have an xpower ???' to!

 

[Bricktop X PWR]

You were to quick to reply without actually comprehending my post correctly.

I know you own an xpower, that is evident by how you have told people in multiple threads that this is the Xpower board discussion. Not always in the most positive way I may add.

What I am saying is effectively, you are in the exact same vehicle as the other RWD only range which matches the rear motor size, as you are sitting in an xpower.

So you can test the efficiency xpower and trophy against each other when the xpower is in eco and only using the rear motor.

So Irene says again, if you are in an xpower on eco, neither do you, because it's irrelevant bar one thing, the weight of the front motor, however the power to drive the front motor is much more. You sat in eco in an xpower means you are in virtually, the exact same car as the dude you said 'You don't have an xpower ???' to!

Good Grief Man!

No you can't.

They are two different cars with two different drive trains.

I know what your trying to say but unless you remove the front drivetrain from an X Power, you are in an X Power regardless of mode.

Powered up or not, drag and weight of components will surely be a factor.

Where exactly have I not been positive?

 

[Soultrappa]

Good Grief Man!

No you can't.

They are two different cars with two different drive trains.

I know what your trying to say but unless you remove the front drivetrain from an X Power, you are in an X Power regardless of mode.

Powered up or not, drag and weight of components will surely be a factor.

Where exactly have I not been positive?

so when in eco mode and it's only rear wheen, the drive trains are different to a trophy only rear wheel?

 

[Bricktop X PWR]

so when in eco mode and it's only rear wheen, the drive trains are different to a trophy only rear wheel?

Yes.
As per explanation above. #89.

You can't magic away the front motor or driveshafts in the X Power whether they are employed with the job of motive force or not.
"I'm Ooot'

 

[JonnyG]

...What I am saying is effectively, you are in the exact same vehicle as the other RWD only range which matches the rear motor size, as you are sitting in an xpower.....

There are other differences too though with the Xpower as previously mentioned such as increased weight, stiffer suspension, wider tyres and no aero covers on wheels, heavier unsprung weight perhaps ? etc......

I guess we can't work out all the differences and what effect they have on efficiency but the official range of the Xpower is a fair bit lower than the equivalent Trophy so I gues that tells us all something. I'm pretty sure the official tests do not use a lot of foot to the floor driving either !

 

[bedsev]

Got my first long trip tomorrow, 400 mile round trip in a day. I've planned it out conservatively with average 3.5 miles per kWh and 200 miles per 61kWh full charge. Will stop twice, once in the morning at Trentham Gardens Tesla and once more before the 165 miles back at Tesla Trafford Park (going to charge to min 90%). Be interesting to see how my fag packet calcs work out in reality, weather is due to be warm so I'm hoping it comes out way better than planned.

 

[salty]

Got my first long trip tomorrow, 400 mile round trip in a day. I've planned it out conservatively with average 3.5 miles per kw and 200 miles per 61kw full charge. Will stop twice, once in the morning at Trentham Gardens Tesla and once more before the 165 miles back at Tesla Trafford Park (going to charge to min 90%). Be interesting to see how my fag packet calcs work out in reality, weather is due to be warm so I'm hoping it comes out way better than planned.

Have a good trip. ??

 

[Chrisdriving]

Yes have a great trip and please report back with some figures.

 

[ilukey77]

Best ive done 250km round trip 100% to about 10% in normal mode to the snow so basically up a mountain ..

In AUS snow is mostly found up a mountain ..

That said $26aud to charge from 10% to 97% for my 250km is a big win !!

 

[bedsev]

Yes have a great trip and please report back with some figures.

So just got back after completing 390 miles in the day. Pretty happy with how it went. Did 65mph on ACC on the long motorway runs, got 3.5 miles per kWh on the way there and 3.3 miles per kWh on the way back which meant my calcs were pretty good.

Charging kind of went ok, first charge was seamless at Tesla Trentham Gardens in Stoke, paid 32p. In the evening I planned to charge at Tesla Trafford Centre and get dinner whilst charging to 100% but unfortunately they were full and there was a disorganised queue and I wasn't going to get into arguments so I parked up, went for something to eat then came back and there were bays available. Luckily I needed to get some supermarlet shopping for my daughter so we went to Asda over the road and by the time we had finished the car was at 100%, paid 38p there.

So charging costs during the trip were £21.81 + £14.22 used from start 100% - 20% remaining at end £5.37 = £30.66, I think that's probably about £20 under what I would have done it in my Merc diesel.

These costs are pretty good value for money, unlike the £18 return I paid for M6 Toll + the parking ticket I got in the peak district (my own fault, stuck the back wheels just onto double yellows as there was nowhere to park).

Vibration wasn't a problem at 65, you could feel it from time to time as the ACC increased power up hills but it wasn't enough to bother me. Checked modes etc and as has previously been proved, it makes no differences what mode (i.e. which wheels are running) it's in.

Overall I was happy with comfort, except the bottom of the seat that digs in my back when I have jeans on. No aches or pains after 10 hours driving the XP today. If I wasn't on 8000 miles a year I'd probably do more long trips based on my experiences today.

 

[Chrisdriving]

Brilliant, thanks for the update?

 

[Anon70]

unfortunately they were full and there was a disorganised queue

I think this is one thing that needs improving for public charging, for fuel pumps there is a linear in and out one way system, for EV chargers it is a random free for all (as with standard parking spaces)

 

[bedsev]

Is it possible to get under 2 mpkwh? I can't seem to get it to go lower.

 

[salty]

Is it possible to get under 2 mpkw? I can't seem to get it to go lower

Probably. Drive the knackers off it in Sport mode, literally every where you go. That might do it.