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Tweed98

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Unfortunately, I was laid off yesterday and will have to return my facelift next Wednesday so I will probably be around a lot less. Depending on what job I find I may well buy my own 5 or ZS as since changing to the facelift I was really quite enjoying the car and then you'll see me again.

I'm definitely now an EV convert.
 
Good luck on your job search, all the best.
?? You'll be in another MG before you know it. ?
 
Good luck on your job search, all the best.
?? You'll be in another MG before you know it. ?
I'm surprised how much I am liking them, I was very disappointed with the original shape 5 to start with but had a grudging respect/like for it after a year. Then I was swapped into a FL 5 and the respect/like went into full on love for the car. I also had a 3 week loaner of an HS while the dealer was fixing the microphone on the ICE and that was brilliant, so much space in the back for my toddler and his seat, nice ride and drivers position.
 
Well it took two months, but I am back in employment. The construction industry is horrible at the moment. I'm down a bit on money but we used some of our savings to buy a 2nd hand Hyundai Kona EV. Its similar in most ways to the MG 5 better in some worse in others but still a nice car to drive, and I am driving it 50 miles a day more than the 5 so that was good!
I did look at MG5 FLs ans ZSs but they were out of the budget and as the Kona is a 20 plate it was a bit cheaper. The battery is on an 8 year guarantee so we still have 4 years 7 months left on it.
 
The Kona and the e.Nero are popular EV’s.
They were the biggest rivals when the ZS EV was first released back in 2019.
The pricing of the ZS EV at the time, made it extremely inexpensive in comparison.
Good luck with the job and your new EV.
 
The Kona and the e.Nero are popular EV’s.
They were the biggest rivals when the ZS EV was first released back in 2019.
The pricing of the ZS EV at the time, made it extremely inexpensive in comparison.
Good luck with the job and your new EV.
That is the good thing with second hand cars these days, without the long list of extras most are the same these days so a good deal can be had!
I do miss going through all the trims and selecting the car I want then getting the prices etc, then the massive wait, then getting a nice shiny new car but have to be sensible while things are still nasty and I'm still in the first two years.
 
So far I'm loving the Kona. Very similar to the MG5 operational-wise.

Its similar to the pre-facelift outside, halogen projectors with LED DLRs, and like FL/PFL front mounted charging point, a button on the door for keyless entry.
Inside it is more like the FL with a cubby under the gear selector (buttons rather than a pie dish), large widescreen for ICE/AA/AC. All digital binnacle.

Benefits,
  • It remembers my KERS and Drive mode,
  • Low washer fluid warning,
  • Less cluttered dash binnacle.
  • Much better mileage. I average around 3 mi/kWh with town and country lane driving, I now get 3.9 mi/kWh mostly with motorway driving.
  • Physical buttons for the A/C (over the FL)

Losses,
  • Boot is small in comparison,
  • Less back seat space (quite important really, it looked massive at the dealers without the car seat in it.)
  • Holding the lock/unlock buttons on the fob doesn't operate the windows from outside.
  • I could only get one with cloth seats and no seat warmers, I've had these for 6 years now and miss them already!
  • LED headlights from the FL, My Mum lives 5 miles from the nearest streetlamp, its dark and full of suicidal wildlife!

Same Problems,
  • I have to turn on auto hold every time still.

Same good things,
  • LKA and ACC very similar but wheel buttons instead of the arm behind the wheel. Like the 5 the LKA doesn't try to kill me.
 
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So far I'm loving the Kona. Very similar to the MG5 operational-wise.

Its similar to the pre-facelift outside, halogen projectors with LED DLRs, and like FL/PFL front mounted charging point, a button on the door for keyless entry.
Inside it is more like the FL with a cubby under the gear selector (buttons rather than a pie dish), large widescreen for ICE/AA/AC. All digital binnacle.

Benefits,
  • It remembers my KERS and Drive mode,
  • Low washer fluid warning,
  • Less cluttered dash binnacle.
  • Much better mileage. I average around 3 mi/kWh with town and country lane driving, I now get 3.9 mi/kWh mostly with motorway driving.
  • Physical buttons for the A/C (over the FL)

Losses,
  • Boot is small in comparison,
  • Less back seat space (quite important really, it looked massive at the dealers without the car seat in it.)
  • Holding the lock/unlock buttons on the fob doesn't operate the windows from outside.
  • I could only get one with cloth seats and no seat warmers, I've had these for 6 years now and miss them already!
  • LED headlights from the FL, My Mum lives 5 miles from the nearest streetlamp, its dark and full of suicidal wildlife!

Same Problems,
  • I have to turn on auto hold every time still.

Same good things,
  • LKA and ACC very similar but wheel buttons instead of the arm behind the wheel. Like the 5 the LKA doesn't try to kill me.
I will add my tuppence worth here too as a month ago I part-exed my lovely 5 for a second hand Kona too.
I agree with @Tweed98 comments but will add some of my own thoughts and for reference I swapped the PFL LR Exclusive (top of the range) for a Kona Ultimate facelift (also top of the range).

On the downside, the ride on bumpy A/B roads is not quite as good, a bit more bouncy/jittery, but OK unless you are boy racer.

Also the speedo overreads like 'normal' cars. I have become so used to the speedo being accurate on the 5, and ZS before, that I don't like it overreading. By 2mph. I checked it with OBD attached using Car Scanner while driving showing the 'real' speed which is accurate but the displayed speed is adjusted up by 2mph. Grrr.

It has 3 trip meters but only one is useable/resettable, not good. The first shows current drive, much like the 5 and resets each time the car is turned off. The second, although I can reset this one, it resets itself every time the car is charged anyway. The third , the accumulative is the only one fully under my control.

There is a lot less space than in the 5 or the ZS, this is a small crossover. This isn't a problem for us, there is only the 2 of us and only rarely carry passengers any distance.

There are many more similarities however between the cars in terms of features and gadgets than there are differences really. Probably applies to all EVs it's just the way they are implemented/controlled.

KERS/regen, I like the flappy paddles and played with them a lot initially until I turned on smart regen, whereby the car chooses how much depending on 'things' such as speed, cars in front, incline etc. It seems to work well so rarely touch them now, but I can still use them to temporarily override if I want.

As above the LKA I hardly notice if I forget to turn it off, which is simply by pressing a button on the steering wheel, lovely and easy.

The MG pilot equivalent works very very well, smooth lane keeping and distance management, although as in the 5 I like to steer myself so generally just use ACC.

One of the reasons for me changing was the getting in and out of the car. Now the car itself might not be that much higher than the 5 but the seating position is more sit up and beg style than the legs straight out in front style. I used the seat in the lowest position in both the 5 and the Kona.

Mine also has a sunroof, not a panaromic but the old fashioned tilt or retract type. Nice open so long as the sun isn't shining. :)

Economy: Wow this thing covers some distance. The useable battery is 64kWh and the efficiency is incredible. Pootling around town I can get anything up to 7 or 8 m/kWh not just over a mile or two but 10 miles. Not all the time of course sometimes it does go as low as top 3 point something.
On the motorway I have no hesitation in cruising at 70 (68 - see above) whereas in the 5 I tended to stick to 63/65.
The other weekend we did a day trip to Southport and back for a food festival, which was very good, and M62/M61 was a 110 mile part of a total journey of 160 miles. Now I've always regarded the M62 over the top of the Pennines a bit of a range killer. The journey was done with ACC set at 70 for the whole motorway part.
The final figures for the day was 158 miles travelled, 4.9miles/kWh and 48% SOC left after starting at 100%. This is a true 300 mile range car.
The other outstanding feature was the GOM which showed a range of 317 at the start. Google maps showed journey of 79 miles to our destination. On arrival the GOM showed range remaining of 239 - bang on. I have no idea how it did that. It's not always that pinpoint accurate but is very much more so than anything I've had before.

I like the way things just work. I plug in my phone and Android Auto just works, I had to buy an AA Wireless to guarantee connection in the 5.

The app. Never had one before so can't really compare, but it works and I can do things with it. I didn't need to contact anyone to connect with it, I just downloaded the app. When picking up the car, the dealer showed me the reset option in the infotainment to clear previous user and I registered my app in there and the car in my app. Job done before we drove off

There are other differences, but that's all they are. I wouldn't say one car is better than the other, just different.

P.S. Regards the trip meters, the accumulated has never been reset since the car was new and it shows the lifetime m/kWh as 4.8. As a November 2022 reg, that's 2 winters and 1 summer, I don't think that's too bad.
 
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I will add my tuppence worth here too as a month ago I part-exed my lovely 5 for a second hand Kona too.
I agree with @Tweed98 comments but will add some of my own thoughts and for reference I swapped the PFL LR Exclusive (top of the range) for a Kona Ultimate facelift (also top of the range).

On the downside, the ride on bumpy A/B roads is not quite as good, a bit more bouncy/jittery, but OK unless you are boy racer.

Also the speedo overreads like 'normal' cars. I have become so used to the speedo being accurate on the 5, and ZS before, that I don't like it overreading. By 2mph. I checked it with OBD attached using Car Scanner while driving showing the 'real' speed which is accurate but the displayed speed is adjusted up by 2mph. Grrr.

It has 3 trip meters but only one is useable/resettable, not good. The first shows current drive, much like the 5 and resets each time the car is turned off. The second, although I can reset this one, it resets itself every time the car is charged anyway. The third , the accumulative is the only one fully under my control.

There is a lot less space than in the 5 or the ZS, this is a small crossover. This isn't a problem for us, there is only the 2 of us and only rarely carry passengers any distance.

There are many more similarities however between the cars in terms of features and gadgets than there are differences really. Probably applies to all EVs it's just the way they are implemented/controlled.

KERS/regen, I like the flappy paddles and played with them a lot initially until I turned on smart regen, whereby the car chooses how much depending on 'things' such as speed, cars in front, incline etc. It seems to work well so rarely touch them now, but I can still use them to temporarily override if I want.

As above the LKA I hardly notice if I forget to turn it off, which is simply by pressing a button on the steering wheel, lovely and easy.

The MG pilot equivalent works very very well, smooth lane keeping and distance management, although as in the 5 I like to steer myself so generally just use ACC.

One of the reasons for me changing was the getting in and out of the car. Now the car itself might not be that much higher than the 5 but the seating position is more sit up and beg style than the legs straight out in front style. I used the seat in the lowest position in both the 5 and the Kona.

Mine also has a sunroof, not a panaromic but the old fashioned tilt or retract type. Nice open so long as the sun isn't shining. :)

Economy: Wow this thing covers some distance. The useable battery is 64kWh and the efficiency is incredible. Pootling around town I can get anything up to 7 or 8 m/kWh not just over a mile or two but 10 miles. Not all the time of course sometimes it does go as low as top 3 point something.
On the motorway I have no hesitation in cruising at 70 (68 - see above) whereas in the 5 I tended to stick to 63/65.
The other weekend we did a day trip to Southport and back for a food festival, which was very good, and M62/M61 was a 110 mile part of a total journey of 160 miles. Now I've always regarded the M62 over the top of the Pennines a bit of a range killer. The journey was done with ACC set at 70 for the whole motorway part.
The final figures for the day was 158 miles travelled, 4.9miles/kWh and 48% SOC left after starting at 100%. This is a true 300 mile range car.
The other outstanding feature was the GOM which showed a range of 317 at the start. Google maps showed journey of 79 miles to our destination. On arrival the GOM showed range remaining of 239 - bang on. I have no idea how it did that. It's not always that pinpoint accurate but is very much more so than anything I've had before.

I like the way things just work. I plug in my phone and Android Auto just works, I had to buy an AA Wireless to guarantee connection in the 5.

The app. Never had one before so can't really compare, but it works and I can do things with it. I didn't need to contact anyone to connect with it, I just downloaded the app. When picking up the car, the dealer showed me the reset option in the infotainment to clear previous user and I registered my app in there and the car in my app. Job done before we drove off

There are other differences, but that's all they are. I wouldn't say one car is better than the other, just different.

P.S. Regards the trip meters, the accumulated has never been reset since the car was new and it shows the lifetime m/kWh as 4.8. As a November 2022 reg, that's 2 winters and 1 summer, I don't think that's too bad.
I've traded my PFL LR Exclusive in for a 73 plate ex demo Niro4. I should collect it tomorrow. Very similar to the Kona I think, with a little bigger boot.
My reasons are similar to yours too. I found the seat in the 5 not ideal on long trips. Nothing much wrong otherwise, although I never got the Tesla update when I asked for it. I did try on a trip to Cornwall, but no joy.
Can't comment on the Niro yet, only had a test drive so far. It did feel as if it was stuck to the road more than the 5, like it was running on rails
 
I've traded my PFL LR Exclusive in for a 73 plate ex demo Niro4. I should collect it tomorrow. Very similar to the Kona I think, with a little bigger boot.
My reasons are similar to yours too. I found the seat in the 5 not ideal on long trips. Nothing much wrong otherwise, although I never got the Tesla update when I asked for it. I did try on a trip to Cornwall, but no joy.
Can't comment on the Niro yet, only had a test drive so far. It did feel as if it was stuck to the road more than the 5, like it was running on rails
Indeed, sister cars. The e-Niro is more spacious but spec for spec and year for year also more expensive. I would have had either but the price won out over space for us.
Although I only need the extra range a few times a year, there is some smugness in doing 160 miles and still having almost half a tank left. To the south coast from Leeds without needing to charge !

Have a watch of this:
 
I will add my tuppence worth here too as a month ago I part-exed my lovely 5 for a second hand Kona too.
I agree with @Tweed98 comments but will add some of my own thoughts and for reference I swapped the PFL LR Exclusive (top of the range) for a Kona Ultimate facelift (also top of the range).


I would have loved to have got the Ultimate! I can't get the heaters or fans to switch on with the app, but on the 5 I could only turn the cold air on even if I set it to hot air! Swings and round abouts.

I only went for the Kona as the 5 FLs were out of my price range. The dealer lied about the spec (shock horror) I picked them up on a couple I noticed and they knocked £50 off of the price, which I'm told by a few second hand car buyers is nothing short of a miracle these days, but I missed a few such as halogen lamps. I've not had the chance to throw it around the B roads as I mostly have my toddler with me, but as it is a bit higher I can see it wouldn't be as planted.

I did start to really respect the 5 PFL and quite loved the 5FL by the end of my time with them, can hardly see the point of buying an Audi or BMW now unless you are desperate for the badge.
 
I would have loved to have got the Ultimate! I can't get the heaters or fans to switch on with the app, but on the 5 I could only turn the cold air on even if I set it to hot air! Swings and round abouts.
I only went for the Kona as the 5 FLs were out of my price range. The dealer lied about the spec (shock horror) I picked them up on a couple I noticed and they knocked £50 off of the price, which I'm told by a few second hand car buyers is nothing short of a miracle these days, but I missed a few such as halogen lamps. I've not had the chance to throw it around the B roads as I mostly have my toddler with me, but as it is a bit higher I can see it wouldn't be as planted.

I did start to really respect the 5 PFL and quite loved the 5FL by the end of my time with them, can hardly see the point of buying an Audi or BMW now unless you are desperate for the badge.
Is there a 4th button on your smart key that says HOLD with a circle symbol. If so press the lock button and then press and hold the HOLD button. It will turn the car on and the heating/AC while you have your brekkie.
 
No, no fourth button. The app acts as though it will start then then an error message pops up.
 
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