Should I cancel my ZSEV order because of rising energy costs?

[kin]

Thanks, now I looked properly it’s called Intelligent, so what is the difference then, it has more cheap rate hours. Does it only give you cheap rate only when charging?

I just checked, it pairs up with the charger. So cheap rate only goes to car charging, nothing else.

 

[kin]

I am on Intelligent Octopus. This tariff gives an off peak period of 2330-0530. It might also give additional periods of off peak slots anytime outside those hours if the car is plugged in.
For example, if I plug in at 1730 and request via the app 60% charge to complete by 0700, it will provide this charge anytime between 1730 and 0700. The bonus is that all household usage is billed at the off peak rate (mine is 7.5p) whilst the car is charging. HTH.

Really? I thought it pairs up with the car charger, so it knows its going to EV only?

 

[N2STY]

To think a the beginning of the year the advance was to not fix your tariff I moaned at the time at the price but glad I did fix then add a free add on 5p any time charging (just check it's still available)

 

[TheArcher]

This video may be of interest here:

 

[Bubs]

My ZS is averaging 16.5-17kw to drive 100km.
That works out at about €3.70 per 100km on my home standard rate of 22cent a kw.

Even in public fast charging at .49cent a kw. That's still only €7.40.

A gallon of petrol here costs €8.50.

So unless you have a petrol car that can do over 100kmpg the EV is far better.

 

[Silver estate]

My ZS is averaging 16.5-17kw to drive 100km.
That works out at about €3.70 per 100km on my home standard rate of 22cent a kw.

Even in public fast charging at .49cent a kw. That's still only €7.40.

A gallon of petrol here costs €8.50.

So unless you have a petrol car that can do over 100kmpg the EV is far better.

My Ceed only does 40 mpg =64.5kmpg petrol ave £7:50 gallon

 

[Waiting in Ireland]

In Portugal the way to get round the tax number thing is miio. This app apparently also works in spain and France. With this app you can charge at every public charger in Portugal. I haven't used it yet as I am still waiting for the car and probably will be for a few months yet.
Edit - moderator removed link with free 5€ credit because it was a referral link. No ? allowed - ironically! Sorry - I was trying to help!

Hi Tim,
Your right that Miio is the way around the nonsense in Portugal however it is not cheap!!
For instance 53 mins on a CCS2 in Braganca is for the ZS LR €38.29 made up by €24.03 MIIO
€7.94 Charging Point and €6.32 Taxes.
The same type charger in Porto €53.84 €25.61 MIIO €19.00 Charging Point €9.23 Taxes.
This gives you 400 Km. That is eye watering.
Not exceptional by any means in Spain Portugal So I rest my case.

 

[Ukchris]

I'm now seriously having second thoughts as to whether changing to an EV will actually be the economical choice it was going to be!!
Looks like my electricity supplier is going to be charging 59p per Kwh . In 2021 I consumed 5273 kwh.
Total for this yr based on just the October rises( and we know ther'es going to be more) = £3275 ish for next yr . which equates to £273 per month
£399 for car plus home charging say twice a week lets say I put 50kwh in that's £59.
so around £240 per month.

Total £640 ish.


Does that look right llol ?


Amount I'm paying for my current ICE car £235 + Around £270 for fuel each month .
Total £505.

If those figures are right then I might possibly just as well continue my lease/pepper corn rental or buy my existing car out right, ( Which puts pay to all my arguments about not ever buying a car!)

Unless the Govt get it's finger out

5273kwh p.a.!!!! Do you live in a 10 bed mansion with the lights on in every room 24/7?

 

[Ukchris]

It takes an enormous amount of electricity to refine oil into its component parts, so as the cost of charging an EV goes up, the cost of fossil fuel will also increase.

As for why I bought an EV, I've always been fascinated by electric vehicles, and I wouldn't mind trying to do my bit to save the planet.

So have I always been interested in ev's, that's why I was a milkman for 29 years ???

 

[N2STY]

5273kwh p.a.!!!! Do you live in a 10 bed mansion with the lights on in every room 24/7?

Just a 3 bed here and that not even car charging as its not here yet

 

[kin]

Just a 3 bed here and that not even car charging as its not here yet View attachment 10578

3 bed apartment?

 

[N2STY]

3 bed apartment?

House wife 2 kids and a dog
That was just electric the gas is

 

[BrianG]

Yeah, here they had pitched gas heating very heavily, i have a former colleague that 2 years ago got a brand new gas fired central heating system installed.

He is NOT a happy guy at the moment.

Here a lot of houses use heating that comes in the form of hot water, directly from a heating plant, i use this method to heat my house as well.

Suddenly for some reason, a lot of roads are being dug up, to put in larger diameter pipes for this, and pavements being dug up, to connect houses to this heating source.

In 2016 we expanded out house, and at the same time we dug out the floors in about 80 sqm of our house, insulated it and put in floor heating.

We just about halved the energy usage per year, partly because of the leaky wall that we tore down, where we added the extra rooms to our house, and partly, because of the floor heating.

At that the savings were £600 a year, but right now the price for heating for us is about double, and i bet they will have to raise prices, come winter.

The price for this heating is not going to go totally bonkers, because some of the heat, comes from burning what we put in our trashcan, but i do believe they use some gas/oil so prices will go up.

Personally i dont fear the price hikes of water and heating so much, as the price hike of electricity.

I have told the kids that in winter, when we produce no electricity, they might be asked to use their laptop instead of their dual screen gaming computer setup, to watch youtube video's as the laptop uses significantly less power than the gaming computer.

Also we have agreed to lower the temperature in the house by 1-2 degrees, not so much to save money, but also to save on energy, so that there will be "enough for everybody".

I had a wonderful holiday near Silkeborg back in 1975, stayed on a farm. Very fond memories of Denmark and the Danes.

 

[BrianG]

We don’t have much gas storage because National Grid shut them all down and our government allowed it for years now we have been exporting our gas instead of keeping it for our own use they built an inter connector from here into Europe and said it is there to import gas from Europe within days we were exporting it because the price was right so short sighted but that’s the uk government for you I’m afraid.

Our main gas storage facility was the repurposed Rough gas field which had been depleted. It was taken out of commission because it was leaking. The pipes drilled down into the original gas field had seals which were beyond their working life and were failing. It was a commercial decision at the time because gas was freely available and other storage was becoming available. The Humbly Grove Oil field in Hampshire for one.

We have been piping gas to Europe since May. Gas normally received via pipes to UK has been diverted by Norway too. We have been receiving LNG tankers from the US, Qatar, Peru and elsewhere day after day to support Europe and defeat Russia. It has been arriving in Milford Haven where it has been regassified and transmitted as gas and electricity. Something like the equivalent of 15-18 GW of power has been transferred almost continuously which is why European gas storage is well above the levels expected. It is, in my mind, vital that Europe does not give in to Putin and supports Ukraine. It will not be enough to end the war by negotiation in my mind, Europe will just suffer more of the same bullying, sadly it must end with regime change and a Russia which works for all its citizens.

 

[NickHeynes]

5273kwh p.a.!!!! Do you live in a 10 bed mansion with the lights on in every room 24/7?

No .3 bed house just me and the Mrs. Only central heating and hot water is gas everything else is elec .We're not careless with our use .

 

[JSAND59]

To think a the beginning of the year the advance was to not fix your tariff I moaned at the time at the price but glad I did fix then add a free add on 5p any time charging (just check it's still available)
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Tried OVO this morning - they will not quote - not taking any new customers at this time.

From the website the new rate is 67.1p per kWh normal rate / 5p per kWh EV charge rate. Have assumed standing charge to be the same. This works out to be £4449 per year. When compared with standard capped rate in October of 51.5p per kWh for all electricity works out to be £3639 per year.

If you are fixed for one year at cheaper rates you have done well. Contacts are 12 months moving forwards.

In addition you have to have a special “Ohme Home Pro” charge point installed - £1000. My BP Pulse charging unit would not be compatible.

 

[JSAND59]

My ZS is averaging 16.5-17kw to drive 100km.
That works out at about €3.70 per 100km on my home standard rate of 22cent a kw.

Even in public fast charging at .49cent a kw. That's still only €7.40.

A gallon of petrol here costs €8.50.

So unless you have a petrol car that can do over 100kmpg the EV is far better.

That works out to be 27kWh per 100 miles. I used 30kWh in my calculations for 100 miles. Assume in the Winter car will use a bit more so this means my 30 kW assumption is ok?

I have looked at many tariffs and cannot find one that is cheaper than paying standard capped tariffs for my circumstances- weekly usage of 100 kWh house usage / 30 kWh car usage.

My only thought is to invest in solar but the roof on my house is West / East facing so will not be as efficient.

I could get a petrol hybrid that does 50mpg. This would cost 15p per mile. This is the same as the EV cost per mile in October at 52p per kWh. By April next year this is expected to be 78p per kWh = 23p per mile.

Bearing in mind that I am not best happy with MG as have been waiting 9 months for a car that is not yet on the production line and my dealer has had the franchise removed so I am yet to find out who my new dealer will be.

I am with Motability and can get a Lexus UX hybrid through the scheme - we are hoping to arrange test drive next week.

 

[Silver estate]

That works out to be 27kWh per 100 miles. I used 30kWh in my calculations for 100 miles. Assume in the Winter car will use a bit more so this means my 30 kW assumption is ok?

I have looked at many tariffs and cannot find one that is cheaper than paying standard capped tariffs for my circumstances- weekly usage of 100 kWh house usage / 30 kWh car usage.

My only thought is to invest in solar but the roof on my house is West / East facing so will not be as efficient.

I could get a petrol hybrid that does 50mpg. This would cost 15p per mile. This is the same as the EV cost per mile in October at 52p per kWh. By April next year this is expected to be 78p per kWh = 23p per mile.

Bearing in mind that I am not best happy with MG as have been waiting 9 months for a car that is not yet on the production line and my dealer has had the franchise removed so I am yet to find out who my new dealer will be.

I am with Motability and can get a Lexus UX hybrid through the scheme - we are hoping to arrange test drive next week.

You’re assuming that petrol prices won’t go sky high again ? as well

 

[JSAND59]

You’re assuming that petrol prices won’t go sky high again ? as well

Yes - you are correct, although currently price of oil is going down and forecast to reduce 10% by Christmas.

I try to only look at forecasts up to six months as world markets can drastically change.

Who would have predicted the impacts of COVID and Ukraine on the world markets.

There is a possibility that VAT may be removed off Electric - 5% ? See what the next Prime Minister does?

Note Domestic properties up to 1000 kWh where 60% of the supply is used for the household is 5% VAT. Go over this and you could be charged 20% VAT. This equates to running a EV for over 22,500 miles per year.

 

[BugEyed]

There is a possibility that VAT may be removed off Electric - 5%

About the same effect as driving 2 MPH slower, and regressive in so far as it rewards high users the most. But from the current generation of idiot politicians why would you expect anything better?

PS Apologies to idiots, politicians bring down your average intelligence.