Speeding. ?☹

[OriginalBigAl]

Maybe this deserves a thread of its own but I'm of the opinion that cruise control or ACC makes a good driver (one who is attentive to the changing situation around them) better because it creates a more relaxed driving condition so they have more time to observe and plan for all the eventualities around them. Conversely a poor driver will see it as, I'll let the car do its thing, I'm not breaking the law, I'm all right Jack, why is there a massive queue of traffic behind me (the once in every five minute glance in the mirror), I'm overtaking this long line of lorries and I'm going 5 mph quicker than them.

 

[Rolfe]

I certainly find it helpful in that I don't have to keep looking down to check my speed, I know I'm not exceeding the limit I set. And if I do want a quick burst of speed when I'm overtaking, well my right foot isn't actually paralysed.

 

[OriginalBigAl]

I certainly find it helpful in that I don't have to keep looking down to check my speed, I know I'm not exceeding the limit I set. And if I do want a quick burst of speed when I'm overtaking, well my right foot isn't actually paralysed.

Which I'm glad to say puts you in the 1st category.

 

[Fireman frog]

The 10% +1 or +2 thing was never a coherent national policy, local forces have always had the discretion to set their own rules. Far too many people think this is a thing when it very often isn't.

I have never been caught speeding and there's a really simple reason - I stick to the speed limit - so can I be oblivious of cameras and traps. I drive my car hard inside the limit.

It is certainly true that a powerful car raises the risk of accidentally speeding. However - with great power comes great responsibility! ?

Hi this is a thing. It's acpo guidance that police forces have to follow.

I'm a former police officer

Speeding Fines & Penalties Guide 2023 - Lawble

Drivers who are caught speeding face a number of penalties, the most common being a speeding fine. You could either be offered speed awareness training, or you will receive a Fixed Penalty Notice (ie a speeding ticket) and points on your licence. In more serious cases, you could face criminal...

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Not that I'm encouraging speeding. They have to give tolerance due to various factors such as no legal requirement to recalibrate speedos

 

[siteguru]

They don't have to follow it - speeding is an absolute offence after all - they choose to follow it as it minimises the risks of challenges in court.

 

[Fireman frog]

They don't have to follow it - speeding is an absolute offence after all - they choose to follow it as it minimises the risks of challenges in court.

Technically yes but in reality they will follow it

 

[johnb80]

Technically yes but in reality they will follow it

No they dont, Lincolnshire Police have zero tolerance, my other half did a speed awareness course for 31mph in a 30 limit, I did write to the Chief Constable who pointed out they were guidelines and they chose not to follow the 10% + 2mph.

Hi this is a thing. It's acpo guidance that police forces have to follow.

I'm a former police officer

Speeding Fines & Penalties Guide 2023 - Lawble

Drivers who are caught speeding face a number of penalties, the most common being a speeding fine. You could either be offered speed awareness training, or you will receive a Fixed Penalty Notice (ie a speeding ticket) and points on your licence. In more serious cases, you could face criminal...

www.lawble.co.uk

Not that I'm encouraging speeding. They have to give tolerance due to various factors such as no legal requirement to recalibrate speedos

I think the two table columns of speeds are transposed i.e. at 30mph, max speed for fixed penalty is 50mph and min speed for prosecution is 35mph.

 

[tsedge]

Technically yes but in reality they will follow it

Not consistently across the UK they don't - and that's the point. It may be the national guidance but there are variations in local practice.

 

[Ian Key]

No they dont, Lincolnshire Police have zero tolerance, my other half did a speed awareness course for 31mph in a 30 limit, I did write to the Chief Constable who pointed out they were guidelines and they chose not to follow the 10% + 2mph.

That's because nothing ever happens in Lincolnshire ?

Puts on tin hat and gets coat before exiting rapidly ?

 

[JonPants]

I think the two table columns of speeds are transposed i.e. at 30mph, max speed for fixed penalty is 50mph and min speed for prosecution is 35mph.

I thought that at first glance, table is a bit messy, the one further down is better.
I think they mean:
"Starting point for fixed penalty" the often miss quoted 10% +2 (which is actually the threshold for prosecution under the guidance, so 20 + 10% + 2 = 24mph for a FPN)
and
"Summons above 35"

The table further down which better illustrates ACPO guidance with FPN and Summons thresholds.

Plus important notes below table.

 

[Fireman frog]

No they dont, Lincolnshire Police have zero tolerance, my other half did a speed awareness course for 31mph in a 30 limit, I did write to the Chief Constable who pointed out they were guidelines and they chose not to follow the 10% + 2mph.

I would have challenged that all day long. If it's a mobile camera then that's slightly different...

An actual police officer in a car or on a bridge etc will follow acpo guidance in my experience

 

[Lovemyev]

When I first started receiving driving lessons, that was over 50 years ago now.
My old driving instructor offered these kind words of wisdom (with regards to my question over any margins the police may offer regarding speed signs).
"Whatever number is written on that sign, is the actual speed LIMIT and not an instruction for you to exceed it. Remember this and it will keep your money in your pocket and your driving licence clean".
This advice has served me very well over the years and I have endeavoured to pass this onto my two children, while out teaching them both to drive many years ago.
Worth remembering here that the police etc, only catch drivers who exceed the stated limit.
Forget what you MAY or may not get away with over the stated limit!
Speeding is speeding end of story.
If you get caught, then just "Put up (your arm) guilty and pay up".

 

[johnb80]

I would have challenged that all day long. If it's a mobile camera then that's slightly different...

I did write to the chief constable and was shot down in flames.

An actual police officer in a car or on a bridge etc will follow acpo guidance in my experience

ACPO = Association of Chief Police Officers, if the Chief Police Offcer in Lincolnshire decides not to follow the guidelines why would a constable or other rank go against his wishes? Do you experience in all of the counties? I must admit I was surprised and annoyed. We have a business in Lincolnshire and the police often use our building for surveillance work, we always welcome the police and look after them with teas, coffees etc, since this incident we no longer help.

 

[DaevM]

Flip-over reg plates from AliExpress anyone ? ?

 

[johnb80]

Flip-over reg plates from AliExpress anyone ? ?

A great way to have your car impounded.

 

[Ferretusmaximus]

Has anyone ever challenged the accuracy of the devices used to prosecute drivers for speeding? 31 in a 30 limit means the speed camera(?) has to have a small error bar to be confident of accuracy in all conditions. Just saying....

 

[maskull]

Has anyone ever challenged the accuracy of the devices used to prosecute drivers for speeding? 31 in a 30 limit means the speed camera(?) has to have a small error bar to be confident of accuracy in all conditions. Just saying....

I've not heard of any. Seems a little harsh, especially when vehicles are allowed 26mph in 20 mph zones ... I'll amend that harsh and raise it to stupid

 

[Rolfe]

Has anyone ever challenged the accuracy of the devices used to prosecute drivers for speeding? 31 in a 30 limit means the speed camera(?) has to have a small error bar to be confident of accuracy in all conditions. Just saying....

There was a barrister who made a very lucrative career out of getting rich idiots out of driving bans. I think that was one of his tactics.

 

[Rolfe]

I've not heard of any. Seems a little harsh, especially when vehicles are allowed 26mph in 20 mph zones ... I'll amend that harsh and raise it to stupid

You're not allowed to do 26 in a 20 zone. They may overlook it, but it's discretionary.

 

[fnegroni]

Has anyone ever challenged the accuracy of the devices used to prosecute drivers for speeding? 31 in a 30 limit means the speed camera(?) has to have a small error bar to be confident of accuracy in all conditions. Just saying....

I successfully challenged it when I was allegedly caught speeding on a dual carriageway while following a bus at 40mph. The van was aiming their camera equipment across four lanes of a dual carriageway which the equipment were not calibrated for at the time.
Won the case in court, that was 20 years ago.